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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:13 am Post subject:

Hmm....Gord is a decent, intelligent, funny human being. You are a one-note tiresome nym-shifting troll. No contest there.

casey's moon

Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:15 am Post subject:

ulsanchris wrote:

I think most koreans have no idea that she was really bad for Korea and better off with out her. Nowadays she's a hero cause the Japanese killed her.

That's interesting, because a few years ago I was teaching a freshman university English course, and one group of students wrote and performed a short drama about her. One of the expressions they had some difficulty translating was "cornering the market."

ulsanchris

Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:18 am Post subject:

What was their take on her? Was it favourable?

Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:22 am Post subject:

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No one believes your lies.

Says the curiously single, middle aged man. Uh ok.

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I take many pictures of several things which I write about for a lot of people to read about

Now you are CNN? Dude, you run a blog. Come back down to earth baldy.

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I read a lot and I know a lot about many things

Ok Gordo, you know a lot about japanese porn. Good for you. Im sure you do "read" a lot.

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Hmm....Gord is a decent, intelligent, funny human being

Ahhhh thats cute. Gordo, you have a lap dog.
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casey's moon

Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:27 am Post subject:

ulsanchris wrote:

What was their take on her? Was it favourable?

Nope, not at all.

But I should also mention that it was supposed to be funny and some things were definitely lost in the translation.

I believe they were punishing her for cornering the market by making her eat spicy food or something. It was a long time ago....

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:28 am Post subject:

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:

Now you are CNN? Dude, you run a blog. Come back down to earth baldy.

Your point? Rather than whine like most people's blogs, I try to enlighten any of the thousands of people who read my works. I've been offered writing jobs for some media outlets but I prefer just to have it as a hobby as I have no income concerns and I can keep them as shallower, light reading affairs instead of heavier, more linked essays that a professional writing effort would require.

Anything else I do that you want to try insulting me about?

Daechidong Waygookin

Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:

Gord wrote:

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:

Now you are CNN? Dude, you run a blog. Come back down to earth baldy.

Gordo, time to update that little site of yours. Hasnt changed in about 3 years.

As far as blogs go, you do know that yours is pretty FAR down the ladder of Korean blogs. You run a mediocre little blog. I do like your dellusions of grandeur baldy.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject:

Turning a history discussion into a squabble about a person's blog is boring! Occupation is my favourite subject though. I read books about it whenever I can find them. The latest one I found is a biographical account of this lady's family and what life was like growing up then.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject:

Gord, what are those three huge spikes in traffic in mid 2003?

skimilk

Joined: 18 Mar 2005

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:

Gord wrote:

Only in the Korean fairytale version. She was killed by commoners, not soldiers. And she was killed in a hit and run ambush in her room of the "palace", not drug outside, raped, and them murdered as the fairytale version goes.

Good Lord. Where does this pile of garbage comes from?

"In the end, Inoue's successor as Japanese minister, Miura Goro, masterminded a plot to eliminate Queen Min. The assassination was carried out in the very palace precints on October 8, 1895."
Korea Old and New, written by Carter Eckert, Ki-baik Lee, Edward Wagner, et al.

The above is an excerpt from a textbook that has been published by Harvard University Press and is used in Korean history classes at Harvard and Columbia Universities. Wonder what carries more weight, a textbook used by some of the best universities in the world or some report online that you found somewhere? Hmm.

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject:

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:

Gordo, time to update that little site of yours. Hasnt changed in about 3 years.

That site is done. It's rather hard to have new game store follies when I no longer work there.

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As far as blogs go, you do know that yours is pretty FAR down the ladder of Korean blogs. You run a mediocre little blog. I do like your dellusions of grandeur baldy.

I keep it on the down-low. I don't pimp it, I don't attach it to every message, I don't plead people to come read it. It's there if people come across and want to read it. Apparently it's interesting enough that a few hundred people a day read it despite my only updating it about once every two weeks.

It's my intention for it to be a quiet little thing for my friends to read. I've been at the top. I've had tens of thousands of people a day reading a glimpse into my life. That's why I'm now in Korea because you just can't live a normal life when everyone suddenly thinks they are your friend and you get dozens of phone calls a day of "are you Gord? Where's the door?!" coupled with people showing up and pulling stunts in an effort to join the pages.

I also don't pretend that my life in Korea collection is anything spectacular. It's just a collection of things I've seen that are curious. I freely admit it's better than 99% of the other blogs people do which focus on self-important but mundane events, but it's not comparable to the 1% of the blogs that are useful or interesting, nor is my collection of observations intended to be. If I wanted it to be a top traffic site, I'd be pimping out the site on every message I do on every forum in addition to making new posts much more frequently.

You're going to the wall here trying to insult me, but there's nothing to insult.

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject:

skimilk wrote:

The above is an excerpt from a textbook that has been published by Harvard University Press and is used in Korean history classes at Harvard and Columbia Universities. Wonder what carries more weight, a textbook used by some of the best universities in the world or some report online that you found somewhere? Hmm.

The Korean course paid for in part by the Korean government and much of the material provided by the Korean embassasy?

Not that it matters, it's just a retelling of the fairytale. No one ever claimed that the fairytale wasn't popular, but that it is simply a well-believed fairytale.

If you took a poll about MP3 players, more than half of the people would tell you that Apple invented the portable MP3 player and that the vast majority would tell you they were first to the market in selling a hard-drive based MP3 player.

"With iPod, Apple has invented a whole new category of digital music player that lets you put your entire music collection in your pocket and listen to it wherever you go." Steve Jobs, Apple Computer

He meant that it was to be a better product due to smaller 1.5" drives, as hard drive based MP3 players with 2" laptop drives had existed for years already.

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

Gord, what are those three huge spikes in traffic in mid 2003? Surprised

I don't follow the traffic of the site as I haven't updated it in ages. At it's peak, it was getting 50,000 distinct IPs a day which was consuming 100% of the allocated bandwidth to the server. THough I suspect it's just people who missed it the first time circulating the address on other forums.

These days it gets between 2,000 and 10,000 a day depending on the weather or something. Since Sunday, the site has had 27,000 distinct IPs according to the tracking page I just looked at. No clue what the previous week had.

Not bad for a site that is archived. Better now that I don't have to deal with phone calls or people showing up and saying "are you Gord? Where's the door?!"

hari seldon

Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:

Gord wrote:

It was a mix of average Koreans and Japanese workers who had come to Korea for work. The Queen was probably viewed as being a thread to their livelyhood, and the value of life wasn't so great back when thousands of people a week are dying in a country of forced slavery so killing her wouldn't be that much a moral issue. The official police report of what happened where with who was found a few months back and it was publically released. I have no clue how much coverage it had in the Korean media, though I saw it in the Japanese English media in a couple places. (I've been following the Livedoor adventure for a while now, and up until recently it was only covered in the Japanese English media).

When I get back tonight I'll dig up the link that has the original reports.

Granted, some people will still say "lies!", but it's more likely to be true as it was written shortly after it happened by people on the scene instead of years after the fact by people who weren't even there.

According to this, Queen Min's assassination was plotted by the Japanese envoy to Korea and Queen Min's traitorous father-in-law and executed by Japanese guards and rohnin, in an operation dubbed "Fox Hunt":

"Miura Koro (߲��ק), the Japanese Consul in Seoul, was the ring leader of the assassins...

At about 5:30 of October 8, 1895, a group of Japanese military and people in Japanese attires began Operation Fox Hunt, the objective of which was to eliminate the Korean Queen who stood in the way of the Japanese annexation of Korea. The assassins infiltrated the Gyongbok Palace with little difficulty because the Palace was under Japanese protection. They killed Hong Geh-bong (ȫ�� ), the commander of a guard unit, and his men, who blocked the entrance to the palace...

Another group of the assassins rushed to the queen's sleeping area. The palace minister Lee Gyung-sik (��) tried to stop them but he was shot dead and then mutilated his body right in front of King Kojong. The Queen was molested and burned right on the palace ground...

At 9:30 am, Maj. Niiro sent a secret cable to the Japanese Army Chief of Staff: the top secret cable read - "Queen dead and King safe." The cable signaled the successful execution of Operation Fox Hunt. This shows that the order to kill the Queen came from the top."
http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/jp-rape.htm
http://www.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=s10600&no=164156&rel_no=1&index=3

Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:59 am Post subject:

hari seldon wrote:

Ok, fine. Let's play along and see where the stort falls apart.

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"Miura Koro (߲��ק), the Japanese Consul in Seoul, was the ring leader of the assassins...

At about 5:30 of October 8, 1895, a group of Japanese military and people in Japanese attires began Operation Fox Hunt, the objective of which was to eliminate the Korean Queen who stood in the way of the Japanese annexation of Korea. The assassins infiltrated the Gyongbok Palace with little difficulty because the Palace was under Japanese protection. They killed Hong Geh-bong (ȫ�� ), the commander of a guard unit, and his men, who blocked the entrance to the palace...

Let's back that train up for a moment. Japanese protection? Now why would she have possibly have been under Japanese protection? She wasn't. 800 hundred guards, all Korean, were protecting her and they had been or were bring trained by Japanese instructors because the Japanese way of doing things was viewed as being far superior to Korean military methodology, and Japan had been training Korea's soldiers almost exclusively since the time a number of Korean officers took a shot at trying to kill her a number of years earlier.

And why did she and the rest of the family have so many guards? Because they had been enduring four years of revolts from farmers and others demanding they be deposed. She was quite hated.

Which raises the question: Who the hell storms a palace with 800 guards and is outnumbered 50 to 1, uses guns so that everyone wakes up, and then decides that everyone should line up to spend some quality time with the queen by molesting her, and then after feeling her up, drag her outside and then set her fire before escaping before any of the 800 guards notice the screaming, fighting, gunfire, sexing, torching, and small mob running away? That's a pretty serious plot hole.

And because it's Saturday, let's go with the old favorite theory: She was killed by the Yakuza. Specifically, the Genyosha gang so that Japan would more quickly take over running Korea which they were on track to do anyway. True? Who knows! But since you're posting a make-believe story, I'll add in some make-believe elements too!

Shall we continue? Or do you suddenly feel that actually reading into the history books which weren't written by someone with an agenda to turn her into a martyr would make sense?

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