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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:09 am Post subject: MSG in Korean food |
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I love Korean food, and I'm not bad at making most dishes at home, without any �ٽô� (Korean style bouillion) or any other MSG type-ingredients -- but apparently even the side dishes we sometimes buy almost ALL contain MSG. My husband recently read an article about MSG use in Korea, and it is in almost everything here. Even most expensive restaurants use MSG -- it is even listed as an ingredient for some dishes in many Korean cookbooks. Avoiding ramen is one thing, but avoiding Korean restaurants, the school cafeteria and any ready-made side dishes???? Ack!!!! |
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canadian_in_korea
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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I was shocked too that there is that much msg in korean food.....my brother in law took us to a restaurant in suwon that specifies that it doesn't use msg in anything...I thought....wow I had assumed that most korean food didn't contain msg anyway. My mother in law taught me how to make kimchi and she put msg in it...i was shocked....when i make it I think i'll leave it out and hope it doesn't change the taste too much. |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, my Korean friends are all aware of this. You have to go to special 'natural ingredients only' restaurants or temple food restaurants - there's at least one in Insadong. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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It tastes so bloody good, though. A few years back the tenant at the apartment I had recently moved into had a packet of the stuff in her cupboard. I tasted it raw. Like crack, man.
Sparkles*_* |
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Squid

Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Anyang
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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TB- MSG is for the museum, candy companies now are adding a compound which tells your tongue it's sweet. You guessed it, it aint sugar.
Real Reality will dig it up. GuardianUK I think. |
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anae
Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: cowtown
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: |
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My mother in law taught me how to make kimchi and she put msg in it...i was shocked....when i make it I think i'll leave it out and hope it doesn't |
I don't use MSG in my kimchi and it turns out just fine.
BTW, my in-laws were just here in Feb. and my husband and I could hardly eat my MIL's cooking. It was so salty that we were just about sick. When she left, I rinsed the kimchi. I don't have any MSG in the house, so maybe she tried to add more salt to get it to taste closer to the MSG variety. When my soy sauce, and bean paste making MIL uses MSG in her cooking, you know it is everywhere. |
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the eye

Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: |
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what's the korean term for MSG ? |
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peony

Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: |
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�̿� - MSG
also ���ұ� has tons of msg in it
i cant tolerate a lot of it, makes all my fingers and toes swell up |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Eye, miwon and tashida are the product brand names, and that's what most people know. Otherwise, �۷�Ž�곪Ʈ�� or ȭ�� ���̷�.
Casey's Moon, I recall you were dead-set against ramyeon for all the widely acknowledged evils of that lowly product... yet you weren't sure exactly what or how bad those evils were. Remember?
So now, here's a thread where you're assuming that MSG itself, presumably in any quantity, is a poison to be avoided at all costs. Um... Might I ask on who's research you're basing this assumption? Because I've got right here, straight from my car, this irrefutable-looking documentation compiled by a guy named "Eddie" from the University of Hawaii that says otherwise.
Yes, Hawaii! The land of sunshine, "Aloha!" ... and PVC grass skirts. The land where the local language has no direct equivalents for the words monosodium glutamate. Nor for the word prevarication. In fact, they got no damn words at all, 'cos everyone there 'speeky the eengleesh'. Wait, wait, wait -- that's not entirely true. They do have this rather convoluted expression for our word liar. Wanna hear it? Okay, all together now... (*inhale*)
He lawai'a no ke kai papa'u, he pokole ke aho; he lawai'a no ke kai hohonu he loa ke aho.
The literal translation is "a fisherman of shallow seas uses only a short line, but a fisherman of the deep sea uses a long line"
Mm-hm.... Mm-hm, mm-hm.
So, according to Eddie:
Many people have concerns about monosodium glutamate, or MSG, a regular ingredient in ethnic dishes in Hawaii. But, a University of Hawaii specialist in food technology says the flavor enhancer is not a health hazard.
So there you have it. Well, I did. And it was yummy!
Nor dare we overlook the fact that, while MSG was discovered by Japanese scientists in the 1920s, it has been used in Asian cooking for 2,000 years without incident. Without incident!!!!! Well... not counting the Mukden Incident, the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, the February 28 Incident, and the Tiananmen Incident. But otherwise, no incident.
Strangely, in recent years, numerous barrel-chested, taller-than-tall Americans reported having adverse reactions to MSG!!!
In response to these complaints, the FDA sponsored extensive reviews of MSG in 1978, 1980 and 1992. The FDA contracted with the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology for the latest study. Their report, released late in 1995, stated that they found no evidence linking MSG to any serious, long-term medical problems in the general population. The report did state that evidence suggests certain people may develop short-term reactions when they consume large doses of MSG or free glutamate of approximately 3 grams or more per meal. The Food and Drug Administration categorizes MSG as ��generally recognized as safe�� along with other food ingredients such as baking powder, table salt and black pepper.
And then there's this:
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) can enhance food flavor. And it's not harmful. So say a team of food science, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry, nutrition, pediatrics, and anatomy experts who recently reviewed the scientific literature concerning its use in food. Their findings were published just months ago in Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, and other scientific groups have come to the same conclusion over the last two decades.
Yet, the existence of a Chinese restaurant syndrome is questionable. Bad reactions to MSG are based entirely on anecdotal observations, say the experts. The stories have not been supported by either human or animal studies. And they are not reported by regulatory authorities outside the U.S.
Moreover, the small quantities of MSG used in cooking would not be expected to cause problems since far greater amounts of glutamate are found naturally in many foods, including meat, fish, milk, and vegetables.
So take it from Eddie -- MSG be soooo safe.  |
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peony

Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Dashima (�ٽø�) (or kombu in Japanese) is the basis of MSG
(really thick seaweed not like mi-yuk, you can see this fried til crispy and coated in sugar a lot of times in Korea)
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Description: A dark green long thick sea vegetable from the kelp family. Used frequently in Japanese cooking, it is an essential ingredient of dashi, a flavorful stock. Kombu contains significant amounts of glutamic acid, the basis of monosodium glutamate (MSG). |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Eye, miwon and tashida are the product brand names, and that's what most people know. Otherwise, �۷�Ž�곪Ʈ�� or ȭ�� ���̷�.
Casey's Moon, I recall you were dead-set against ramyeon for all the widely acknowledged evils of that lowly product... yet you weren't sure exactly what or how bad those evils were. Remember?
So now, here's a thread where you're assuming that MSG itself, presumably in any quantity, is a poison to be avoided at all costs. Um... Might I ask on who's research you're basing this assumption? Because I've got right here, straight from my car, this irrefutable-looking documentation compiled by a guy named "Eddie" from the University of Hawaii that says otherwise.
Yes, Hawaii! The land of sunshine, "Aloha!" ... and PVC grass skirts. The land where the local language has no direct equivalents for the words monosodium glutamate. Nor for the word prevarication. In fact, they got no damn words at all, 'cos everyone there 'speeky the eengleesh'. Wait, wait, wait -- that's not entirely true. They do have this rather convoluted expression for our word liar. Wanna hear it? Okay, all together now... (*inhale*)
He lawai'a no ke kai papa'u, he pokole ke aho; he lawai'a no ke kai hohonu he loa ke aho.
The literal translation is "a fisherman of shallow seas uses only a short line, but a fisherman of the deep sea uses a long line"
Mm-hm.... Mm-hm, mm-hm.
So, according to Eddie:
Many people have concerns about monosodium glutamate, or MSG, a regular ingredient in ethnic dishes in Hawaii. But, a University of Hawaii specialist in food technology says the flavor enhancer is not a health hazard.
So there you have it. Well, I did. And it was yummy!
Nor dare we overlook the fact that, while MSG was discovered by Japanese scientists in the 1920s, it has been used in Asian cooking for 2,000 years without incident. Without incident!!!!! Well... not counting the Mukden Incident, the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, the February 28 Incident, and the Tiananmen Incident. But otherwise, no incident.
Strangely, in recent years, numerous barrel-chested, taller-than-tall Americans reported having adverse reactions to MSG!!!
In response to these complaints, the FDA sponsored extensive reviews of MSG in 1978, 1980 and 1992. The FDA contracted with the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology for the latest study. Their report, released late in 1995, stated that they found no evidence linking MSG to any serious, long-term medical problems in the general population. The report did state that evidence suggests certain people may develop short-term reactions when they consume large doses of MSG or free glutamate of approximately 3 grams or more per meal. The Food and Drug Administration categorizes MSG as ��generally recognized as safe�� along with other food ingredients such as baking powder, table salt and black pepper.
And then there's this:
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) can enhance food flavor. And it's not harmful. So say a team of food science, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry, nutrition, pediatrics, and anatomy experts who recently reviewed the scientific literature concerning its use in food. Their findings were published just months ago in Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, and other scientific groups have come to the same conclusion over the last two decades.
Yet, the existence of a Chinese restaurant syndrome is questionable. Bad reactions to MSG are based entirely on anecdotal observations, say the experts. The stories have not been supported by either human or animal studies. And they are not reported by regulatory authorities outside the U.S.
Moreover, the small quantities of MSG used in cooking would not be expected to cause problems since far greater amounts of glutamate are found naturally in many foods, including meat, fish, milk, and vegetables.
So take it from Eddie -- MSG be soooo safe.  |
Take notes, Real Reality. This is a great way to present facts, couched in fun commentary to make a point. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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JongnoGuru wrote: |
Eye, miwon and tashida are the product brand names, and that's what most people know. Otherwise, �۷�Ž�곪Ʈ�� or ȭ�� ���̷�.
Casey's Moon, I recall you were dead-set against ramyeon for all the widely acknowledged evils of that lowly product... yet you weren't sure exactly what or how bad those evils were. Remember?
So now, here's a thread where you're assuming that MSG itself, presumably in any quantity, is a poison to be avoided at all costs. So take it from Eddie -- MSG be soooo safe.  |
Good point, except that if you check my OP again, you'll see that I neither called MSG evil nor poison, now did I ? I would just prefer to avoid ingesting added chemicals on a regular basis, i.e. in pretty much every meal I eat, since Korean food comprises the majority of my diet. Perhaps MSG isn't that bad, and your post is somewhat comforting, but I'm sure there is also evidence to the contrary. In fact, the article I referred to in the OP was about the fact that Korean food contains way too much of this unhealthy food additive called MSG. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I try to avoid msg, like C.M., I just try to avoid chemicals and enhancers in my food. Besides, for me the jury is still out on the safety issue.
Just because the U.S. FDA says it's safe, doesn't mean it is so. It's in the hip pockets of the chemical and drug companies. It gets a big no convidence vote from me.
Good food doesn't need chemical enhancement. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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peony wrote: |
Dashima (�ٽø�) (or kombu in Japanese) is the basis of MSG
(really thick seaweed not like mi-yuk, you can see this fried til crispy and coated in sugar a lot of times in Korea)
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Description: A dark green long thick sea vegetable from the kelp family. Used frequently in Japanese cooking, it is an essential ingredient of dashi, a flavorful stock. Kombu contains significant amounts of glutamic acid, the basis of monosodium glutamate (MSG). |
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Now that's interesting. I always thought MSG was some sort of chemical compound designed in a lab.
Also surprised that �ٽô� is considered MSG. That stuff is great in certain foods. |
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the eye

Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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desultude wrote: |
I try to avoid msg, like C.M., I just try to avoid chemicals and enhancers in my food. Besides, for me the jury is still out on the safety issue.
Just because the U.S. FDA says it's safe, doesn't mean it is so. It's in the hip pockets of the chemical and drug companies. It gets a big no convidence vote from me.
Good food doesn't need chemical enhancement. |
i'm in that camp, too. it's horrid enough that we have been splicing vegetable genes with other biology in laboratories for years now.
everyone knows the KFC saga back home, too. they've engineered a new species practically. a chicken with multiple sets of wings. yummy.
you say potato, scientists say vegetable84-B. |
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