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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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The students who progress the fastest are the ones who study grammar in conjunction with speaking. Someone complained that KTs speak Konglish. Isn't Konglish (largely) English spoken with Korean grammar?
Part of the problem is that hakwon teachers don't have to have teaching licenses--Korean or native speakers. That's what I was told, anyway.
Although it sounds impressive to say that Koreans have studied English for 6 years when they graduate high school, what that really meant in the past is that they had 2 one hour classes a week. Has that changed?
The solution is smaller elective classes divided by abiltity level for students who are motivated to learn English and taught by certified Korean and foreign instructors working in regulated work-places administered by people with an education background. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The students who progress the fastest are the ones who study grammar in conjunction with speaking. |
Teacha, Bingo! |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you handle it when you loose respect for your school |
How do you loosen respect? 
Shouldn't they lose respect for you after that?
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Hey, you seem to be happily taken by Blake. If you weren't, I'd offer to show you how to loosen respect. 
Sorry, when I type on this old Pentium I computer (yes, I literally have the oldest, slowest computer at school sitting on my desk) I have lots of problems. Some of the letters double, etc. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Before ANY of you learned to read or write in your native language...that's 100% of you....you first learned to speak. The reading/writing part comes easy when one knows the language, idioms, etc. |
You would be hard pressed to find anyone who did not start learning to write the language shortly after they began making proper sounds. At least in my immediate family, we all learned to write the alphabet and put together simple words before the age of four.
The bubble you suggests exists does not.
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| The emphasis in the classroom should be on speaking, phonics, idioms, etc. Not on grammar. |
At the same time you also cite that anyone who has "the calling" can be a teacher and that any sort of formal training is not required. Your opinion is based on anecdotal observations of a very limited pool, and has not been compared to any outside pool.
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| Why is it that korea is one of the lowest English speaking countries in Asia and yet spends the highest amount of money on learning the language?!?!? |
On average, the number of people who know English in some form is the highest of any Asian country. You are citing an out-of-context claim based on a test score that Koreans are generally required to take regardless of English skill as a measurement for a job while the same test is generally only taken by citizens in other countries when applying for Internation jobs. This mistake has been corrected on this forum many times.
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| Hakwon owners are doing it backwards and half assed. Why? They only want money! |
Derrek works in a school. I was amused by your earlier rant too when you thought he worked in an academy.
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Grammar skills?! They have at the least, six years of grammar skills! 3 years middle school and 3 years HS! Plus years of hakwons! Now, English is being taught in the primary schools. Come on! That��s over 6 years of English! They should be talking like natives! Don��t give me that bull about ��they have no one to practice speaking with!�� They have each other!
The public schools teach grammar��so��why the need for the hakwon to do the same? Money! |
Canadians are generally required to learn French for at least five years, and generally up to eight. If we had a French-only social event, how many of us do you think could talk anywhere remotely close to a fluent level? I know one guy, and that's because he attended an immersion program.
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| If all these hakwons would let the teachers do what they hired them to do��and that is teach��students would be learning! Screw the grammar teaching skills. They will learn that far more better once they get the speaking skills down. |
We did not learn English without grammar being drilled into our heads, why do you feel that this would work elsewhere?
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| I still say��fire most of the KT��s��not all��but those who can��t hold a decent conversation in English. |
I am curious when speaking English meant a person could write English. And what of the people from New Zealand who say things like "I work in Korearrrr"?
Have people in NZ descended from pirates? Arrr.
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| Hakwon owners��you all suck big time. 95% at least. Concentrate on doing a great job instead. Pay decent wages. Stop screwing over each other and the teachers who are making you your money. |
If a teacher would show up dressed professionally, did their prep work and could handle a class of 30 students efficiently while delivering results, they could easily make 4M a month on 4 classes a day and be a money machine to the school owner while providing a lower-costing education to the children, but most people want the small money-losing classes.
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| Less teaching hours/classes equals QUALITY teaching! Don��t you get it? Or are you that thick headed? Were you born that way or is it just natural? |
Where exactly is this line drawn? And what class size? Three students per class and three classes a day at fifty minutes a class?
The problem is that the fewer number of students per class and the lower number of working hours means that the price of the lessons skyrocket just to pay what everyone here thinks they are worth. Which means that only the rich get time with a foreign teacher, and that would be sad.
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| Have great material, supplies, CONSTRUCTIVE meetings, etc. Put the shoe on the other foot��if you went to another country to teach korean and got treated like the way you treat the FT��s��you��d be angry also! |
People working in other countries would be expected to put in far more effort into class prep. How many threads have we seen on this forum that say "what? I have to do six minutes of prep work per class? I want overtime because I didn't agree to that when I agreed to work on salary!"
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| But...most of the blame lies with the FT's for letting the hakwon owners use them and screw them over! And yet more still sign the same old contracts! |
Great. Don't sign the contract. Power to the people. Though I find it amusing that you cite anti-capitalism positions when demanding a salary in line with capitalistic principles. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Your opinion is based on anecdotal observations of a very limited pool, and has not been compared to any outside pool.
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Interesting that that quote followed this:
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| At least in my immediate family, we all learned to write the alphabet and put together simple words before the age of four |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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OP you are the same one that was posting about how some teachers should be kicked out of Korea in order to "clean up Korea" and make the environment better for those of who are left, before and immediately following the recent MBC-gate. Yet you contradict yourself by admitting what a crappy environment Korea already is in the first place. I guess your "let's clean up this place and get more money too" policy doesn't seem it would be effective after all.
But then this message board, much like the country, is filled with hypocrisy anyways. |
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