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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| What is it, do Canadians have group PMS or something? The reaction to Derreks comments |
Derrek, as much as I like him, has a problem with Canadians. He has even, by his own admission, gone so far as to approach Korean government officials telling them about all the evil things that Canadians are doing here. |
Derrek's silver lining, so to speak, is that he wears his bigotries on his sleeve. Usually he leaves speaking on them for his Gollum sock, but sometimes he gets confused and posts as himself. But him letting us know what a tool he is up front is somewhat courteous of him. |
What's the point of having a sock if people know it's really you? Also, Willie, you know Derrek=Gollum because you've been following their posts and you make connections -- not because you used to be a MOD and might therefore know things the rest of us don't, like who has a sock and what its name is.... Or so I'm hoping.
I'm not being snarky here. Whenever I see people accuse posters of having a sock, of having been someone else, etc., I don't mind it. It's just when someone who is/was/might be a MOD says, in effect, "Oh, I'm not guessing, I'm not speculating -- I'm stating a fact that Bippy is Boopy's sock, and you can take that to the bank".... then I start to wonder about this place. |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Despite the frequent bleatings of the usual gang of morons, I am not a mod. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Blind Willie wrote: |
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| What is it, do Canadians have group PMS or something? The reaction to Derreks comments |
Derrek, as much as I like him, has a problem with Canadians. He has even, by his own admission, gone so far as to approach Korean government officials telling them about all the evil things that Canadians are doing here. |
Derrek's silver lining, so to speak, is that he wears his bigotries on his sleeve. Usually he leaves speaking on them for his Gollum sock, but sometimes he gets confused and posts as himself. But him letting us know what a tool he is up front is somewhat courteous of him. |
What's the point of having a sock if people know it's really you? Also, Willie, you know Derrek=Gollum because you've been following their posts and you make connections -- not because you used to be a MOD and might therefore know things the rest of us don't, like who has a sock and what its name is.... Or so I'm hoping.
I'm not being snarky here. Whenever I see people accuse posters of having a sock, of having been someone else, etc., I don't mind it. It's just when someone who is/was/might be a MOD says, in effect, "Oh, I'm not guessing, I'm not speculating -- I'm stating a fact that Bippy is Boopy's sock, and you can take that to the bank".... then I start to wonder about this place. |
We all know Swiss James is your sock. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Despite the frequent bleatings of the usual gang of morons, I am not a mod. |
Right. And I would hope other readers didn't think I was suggesting that you are. I'm already standing director of the board for several 'gangs of morons' at the moment -- just haven't the time to join another.
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| We all know Swiss James is your sock. |
Yes, and it's something of a feat, too, as he joined long before I did. Wait, I got that wrong -- I'm his sock. And we're both under the joint ownershp and control of Eamo and the English Premiership --Prediction-tastic! thread. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Since you worked in recruiting, I'm interested to know how many directors said 'I want him' and it turned out that 'him' wasn't available for whatever reason. I know that this happened in several cases with me when I was the 'him' they wanted, and I look like a scraggly bum - a completely unkempt longhair with earrings - on my passport photo. |
Actually, the market moves so fast that that never would happen as often as you may think it would. It could be a Monday and I'd be on the phone with a teacher one day and we are all chummy and wants to do a phone interview with the school who liked his photo, age, and nationality and we'd line up the time differences and scheduling of the director and head teacher for Thursday, and the teacher is off the market by Wednesday with an offer somewhere else. Or something similar vice versa. Usually, it'd be the teacher dropping off the market. There is such an extraordinary amount of variables that could go on, that I would seldom ever see the same situation repeat itself. If you are full-time and playing a broad market, that is. A P/T recruiter with a small collection of loyal schools usually can achieve some consistency. At least in dealing with schools. Dealing with teachers is always a crapshoot, no matter how many schools you rep. The industry joke is that a teacher is not solid until you see him stepping off the plane. Another reason why you see recruiters treat teachers like cattle.
The times that it would happen is with North American girls under 30, who don't have any strong hang-ups or preferences. If they have their resume/photo out in the open and in the inboxs of XYZ amount of recruiters, every school (or schools that are known to pay higher fees) would be getting hit with her resume/photo. Even to the point that the same director might have her info sent from 6 or 7 different recruiters and the school gets pissed off, because all 6 or 7 recruiters told them that their teachers are exclusively hand-picked and selected by well-placed staff in Canada, blah-blah...
In those situations are where you'd find the recruiter able to barter and bump up the commission, because of the demand for her. That's where you start seeing the $2K pay-outs. Or, if you're honest, as I tried to be, you'd come back to her and give her the choice of the 5 offers. To say it very understatedly, it's the furthest thing from being a service-based industry. People that are in it are able to lie to others and themselves in suggesting that they are all about service, but fortunately I got out of it, before I was able to compromise my values and ethics. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Chronic:
As a Director, I'd like to chime in here:
What you said about the speed of the market is right on the money. It moves real fast because there IS competition for a certain type of person in this racket. You mentioned the North American female under 30 category. That has been, and will continue to be, a sought after commodity. Especially, if you have business classes of middle-aged men for whom you are looking for a "teacher." (gasp, gasp, cough, cough).
People with MA's who are looking to work in an academy are also hot from my perspective. Why? Because I can then advertise to the parents that I have a living, breathing, house-trained, non-byuntae, MA holder who just loves Korean food and can -yes - can use chop sticks. Of course, I'm being sarcastic but you know what I mean. If I have a class of predominately young college-aged females, the younger, handsome North American male will be the hot commodity. I think it all depends on what you are into as far as ages and classes the potential employer offers.
In addition to the example you gave, you also have the practice by potential employees using recruiters in addition to answering ads on their own. In the past I've received resumes from a recruiter for people that had sent their resumes to me directly. Now, if I'm interested in the person am I going to go through the recruiter? Or, am I going to contact the person directly? Common sense dictates I am going to save the recruiters fee and negotiate with the person directly. So I can be pitched a person by a recruiter, say "No thanks", while hiring the same person through direct means. You can also have people who are sent to you by a recruiter who have posted their resumes on various websites. If I have the option to contact the person directly, (either from there direct answer or because I found their resume listed on one of the job sites) or use a recruiter - I will always opt for direct contact.
In the past I have also received resumes of the same person from different recruiters - some claiming the person was exclusive to their company. It really is humorous.
In the hiring game, from my perspective, there are 5 avenues by which I can find new employees. Using a recruiter is only one.
As a customer I have found recruiters service to be very hit and miss - some quick and responsive - some not. Some people do not seem to understand that Directors can get burned by recruiters and teachers in addition to the other way around. I speak from experience.
Also what you said about "hand-picked" blah, blah, blah is also a joke amonst many other directors I speak with. When I receive e-mail and surface mail advertisements from recruiters who include that or similar statements it reminds me of an overused stock answer to an interview question such as "I like to work with people."
Additionally, as a Director I would never count on a person until they walked through the front door. I was burned once and now only hire people that are already in Korea.
Just my two cents worth.
Take care
Teufelswacht |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Chronicpride and Teufelswacht, very interesting again to hear of your experiences. I can only speak for myself, but as an MA with a bit of teaching experience who can put on a very professional veneer if I want to, and who wasn't that picky, it was a matter of sending out a few emails after doing a few web searches. I had two offers in Korea and one in China, and an agent emailing me after I was already here saying he had a job lined up for me. I should have done more research, but given what a crap-shoot the job market is for someone with no experience in Korea, I just took the first one offering 2K and a free airline ticket.
From my perspective, it looks like finding *a* job in Korea is bloody easy, but finding a job that is good in all respects, and rewards rather than punishes initiative, is completely down to luck. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not being snarky here. Whenever I see people accuse posters of having a sock, of having been someone else, etc., I don't mind it. It's just when someone who is/was/might be a MOD says, in effect, "Oh, I'm not guessing, I'm not speculating -- I'm stating a fact that Bippy is Boopy's sock, and you can take that to the bank".... then I start to wonder about this place. |
What is it you're wondering about concerning here?
Derrek and Gollum, that's a well-known case that I guess must have been established a little before you became a regular on here. There are other established socks as well, people who make very little effort to hide who they are.
Also, generally, mods only worry about socks when someone is up to mischief with one and posting normally under their main ID. Punishments for breaking the forum rules extend to all accounts that the user has or is suspected of having. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| From my perspective, it looks like finding *a* job in Korea is bloody easy, but finding a job that is good in all respects, and rewards rather than punishes initiative, is completely down to luck. |
So true.
To turn it around, from my perspective, finding a warm body who can speak English is easy. Finding a teacher can be real difficult and is often a roll of the dice. Many times you just don't know who you have hired until they are about 30 days into the job.
But hey now you are an MA holder who has experience in Korea - good on ya. The only thing I can think of that can/could hold you back with some Directors is whether or not you are a North American.
Take care
Teufelswacht |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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Hmm. Accussations of sockery are difficult to prove arent they? Is it a fact that Gollum and Derrek are the same person? I know you people THINK that is the case but do you have absolute proof? It has been alleged that I am the sock of a certain ex-member called Tokki. No one can prove that but people still say it.
One thing I know, Jogno is Swiss James' sock. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Accussations of sockery are difficult to prove arent they? Is it a fact that Gollum and Derrek are the same person? I know you people THINK that is the case but do you have absolute proof? It has been alleged that I am the sock of a certain ex-member called Tokki. No one can prove that but people still say it.
One thing I know, Jogno is Swiss James' sock. |
I like comparing you to Tokki but I know you're not and you know that I know you're not. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Accussations of sockery are difficult to prove arent they? Is it a fact that Gollum and Derrek are the same person? I know you people THINK that is the case but do you have absolute proof? It has been alleged that I am the sock of a certain ex-member called Tokki. No one can prove that but people still say it.
One thing I know, Jogno is Swiss James' sock. |
I like comparing you to Tokki but I know you're not and you know that I know you're not. |
Im not saying anything either way. Just so you know. |
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alicat_blue
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: I knew that guy! |
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| Funny thing is. I actually work at the same hagwon as one of the guys who got busted. I was there when it all went down. Two immigration officials in bad suits came in and hauled him away. They never even let him back to his apartment to get his stuff or anything, it's all still sitting up there. Oh and now I have to feed and care for his two cats. Cats anyone? No seriously, if anyone wants a cat please pm me, I'm pretty sure the director will throw them out on the street or something inhumane when they decide to deal with it |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: I knew that guy! |
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Could you repeat that please? I didn't catch the first three posts. 
Yeah, I know it's a glitch.
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| Funny thing is. I actually work at the same hagwon as one of the guys who got busted. I was there when it all went down. Two immigration officials in bad suits came in and hauled him away. They never even let him back to his apartment to get his stuff or anything, it's all still sitting up there. Oh and now I have to feed and care for his two cats. Cats anyone? No seriously, if anyone wants a cat please pm me, I'm pretty sure the director will throw them out on the street or something inhumane when they decide to deal with it |
For anyone out there who doesn't know how it's done, THIS (above) is how it's done. I've seen cases like this before. The MO hasn't changed much over past decade, it seems. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Accussations of sockery are difficult to prove arent they? Is it a fact that Gollum and Derrek are the same person? I know you people THINK that is the case but do you have absolute proof? It has been alleged that I am the sock of a certain ex-member called Tokki. No one can prove that but people still say it.
One thing I know, Jogno is Swiss James' sock. |
It's pretty obvious, though I forget if he admitted exactly that this was true. I just figure he uses the other account at work so people don't catch that Derrek is...well...Derrek. |
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