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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Buddhism in Korea Reply with quote

I'm currently an ESL (now ELL???) assistant in the U.S. and will be going back to grad school in the fall for an M.A. in East Asian Studies. I wasn't raised with any particular religion, though I'm interested in getting involved in Buddhist meditation and practice when I go back to Seattle (I promise not to become a know-it-all hippy type!).

I have lived in China and Japan and could see come of the ways that Buddhism was (and wasn't) practiced in daily life there. I am really curious about Buddhism in Korea. I had a few Korean friends in high school and college and now most of my students are Korean. Of all the Koreans I have known, all but one have been Christian, and the one was Buddhist. And I found out that this one just recently converted to Christianity! How many practicing Buddhists are there in Korean today? Do Korean Christians look down on practicing Buddhists? Are there any major organizations or universities that are affiliated with the Buddhist faith rather than a Christian sect?

Thanks!

taobenli
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Buddhism in Korea Reply with quote

I don't know, but I had an interesting time at a Buddhist temple yesterday.

I went and saw Gaemisimsa, it's over 1300 years old. It's out in the middle of nowhere, near Haemi, a rocking little town with a bustling population of 9600. Naturally I couldn't find the place and I was lost. But as fate would have it, there was a Buddhist monk at the bus station who was going to visit the temple himself. So we went together.

The man spoke fairly good English and I got the dirt on Buddhist monkdom in Korea. Maybe the most interesting thing I learned was that those guys shave their heads once every 15 days. Jong-ta (that was his name) lives in Incheon where he spends most of his time studying Buddhism with 20 other monks. Before he was a monk, he was in construction. He helped build an airport.

Anyway, he explained a lot of things to me at the temple and was more or less my tour guide. He showed me where the monks sleep, a small barren room with nothing in it but a little chair. I saw where they eat, and where they pray. Afterwards I ate dinner with three of them. I probably could have stayed and slept at the temple too, but I had to get back.

I personally believe there's a lot of truth in what these Buddhists think. Desire nothing but desirelessness, hope for nothing except to rise above all hopes, want nothing and you'll have everything.

It sounds good to me.
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm....no one else is interested in this?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
Hmmm....no one else is interested in this?


Korea is traditionally a Buddhist country. Even though there are many churchgoers in Korea, many Korean still display Buddhist traits such as forgetting bad instances and stuff (though it adds to their "han").

There is the Lotus Lantern, a foreigner group for people who are interested in Buddhism. They meet on Sundays and you can see the ad in the English dailies.

That said, many Christians believe anything non-Christian is of the devil. Christianity's history is cluttered with followers slaughtering non-believers by the thousands. And another thing: many Buddhist temples in Korea now have 24-hour security as some Christians have vandalized temples and statues crying "Die, Satanic images." I hear Christians all the time say "Have an open mind" when most Christians do not do the same. Go figure.

By the way, Dongguk Univ. in Seoul was founded by Buddhists, and has a Buddhist slant on things.

If you want to read some stuff written by Korean monks, I suggest the books of Seung Sahn "The Compass of Zen," "Dropping Ashes on the Buddha" and "Only Don't Know." I hear Seung Sahn is famous outside of Korea only because he could express his thoughts in English, but well, unless your Korean is good, he is one of the few Korean Buddhists to write stuff in English. I have all three books and they are all interesting reads. In fact, Hyongak aka Paul Munzen, the Harvard/Yale American grad who dropped everything to become a monk in Korea, owes his life as a monk to Seung Sahn.

Another site I recommend is buddhism.lioncity.net. It's a 100% Buddhist forum.

And finally, check out the Korean Buddhist films on DVD. All four have English subtitles.

Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring Again
- This film has gotten rave reviews from the West.

Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East?
- This 1985 flick is considered to be perhaps the greatest Buddhist film ever made.

Little Monk (Dongseung)
- Cute drama about an orphan monk who wishes he had a mother.

Oseam
- An animated flick with Buddhist overtones
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that Evangelical Christians here have been know to harass Buddhists and protest outside their temples. I wonder how often this happens?
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had the pleasure in teaching two buddhist monks and the ones whom I have met are very devout. Both attended Dongguk Uni and one lived in India for two years to complete his training. He is a meditation monk and lives a very simple life at Arimsa temple here in Geochang. Buddhism is now the second largest religion in Korea after christianity. The Chogye order is the largest order and the most devout of the orders in Korea. The hermatige which is where the monks reside is a very simple dwelling and in 99% of cases monks will welcome the chance to show you their temple and offer tea and refreshments. My personal experience in nearly four years of visiting temples is all positive and I have a great deal of admiration for the monks. Many people complain about the charge to enter temples. This is a government charge and the temple receives none of this money directly. It is used to preserve the wonderful buildings and grounds of these monuments. Smile
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stopwatch wrote:
Dongguk University is run by the Chogye Buddhist order.




(personally, I have about as much respect for Korean monks as I do for American Catholic priest/molesters.... I've seen way too many Korean monks eat meat, wear leather, drive new sedans, use cellphones, drink soju, etc.... I live near Dongguk, and see it all out my window. It wouldn't bother me if the Buddha hadn't left explicit directions for monks which forbid most of these things and would likely have forbidden the others...



the nuns, are another story: they seem quite a pleasant, entertaining and pious lot.)


Yes, I admit the Buddhist scene in Korea isn't the greatest but well, I think many Korean monks just dove into it without really considering what they were giving up. But Korean Buddhism does attract the attention of other Buddhist scholars since Korea had Buddhism about a century before Japan.

But I hope this doesn't dim your view of Buddhism, since the problems you mentioned are related to implementation rather than the teachings.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias wrote:
I've heard that Evangelical Christians here have been know to harass Buddhists and protest outside their temples. I wonder how often this happens?

That's the first time i ever heard of that. Wouldn't surprise me mind you. Now, what WOULD surprise me is if it were MONKS protesting outside churches ... hehehehe ... anyone ever heard of that ???

Web site offers rich information in English on Korean Buddhism
Among favorite spots for foreign tourists are Buddhist temples. Their serene, nature-oriented atmosphere and rich selection of cultural artifacts are always a great tourist attraction.



One major problem, however, is that information about these temples in English has been almost non-existent - until now.
http://eng.koreatemple.net/
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't met a single Buddhist yet. Most people I talk to either have no religion or are Christian. Maybe it's because of the area I live in (near Daejon).
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
I haven't met a single Buddhist yet. Most people I talk to either have no religion or are Christian. Maybe it's because of the area I live in (near Daejon).


Well there's one right here on Dave's.

Though I can't say I'm much of a practicing Buddhist these days; love my meat and beer to much. But's that the way I was raised and brought up by parents who converted to Buddhism back in the glorious 1960s.

I've usually found it extremely hard to explain Buddhism to westerners as it involves a whole other way of looking at life and the world that is fundamentally different from the Judeo-Christian background that most westerns grow up in.

As to Buddhism in Korea, it really doesn't play a major part in the culture and history of the country as Korea isn't and never has been a Buddhist country. Through out Korea's long history, Buddhism and Buddhists have been a persecuted minority.
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redbird



Joined: 07 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:


Though I can't say I'm much of a practicing Buddhist these days; love my meat and beer to much. But's that the way I was raised and brought up by parents who converted to Buddhism back in the glorious 1960s.

...snip...

As to Buddhism in Korea, it really doesn't play a major part in the culture and history of the country as Korea isn't and never has been a Buddhist country. Through out Korea's long history, Buddhism and Buddhists have been a persecuted minority.


This last paragraph overstates things a bit IMO. Obviously, Korea is more Confucian than Buddhist and where the two have conflicted, Confucianism has won out. But there have been a few times when Buddhism was the state religion. Just sitting here, I can't think of how to refute the idea that Buddhism "really doesn't play a major part in the culture and history of the country". It's certainly overshadowed by Confucianism.

It's a common misperception that Buddhists can't eat meat. The Buddha himself ate meat and the Dalai Lama eats meat. The proscription was that the monks should not have meat killed for them, which introduces a bit of a loophole open to interpretation. Certainly, the Buddha would have considered it the height of rudeness to turn down meat given as alms to monks. My reading is that a good Buddhist should, first and foremost, eat what's put in front of you. And be grateful for it.

And, Seung Sahn's "Dropping Ashes on the Buddhist" gave me one of those a-ha moments. I'll be attending a Korean Zen temple here in Chicago until I make it to Korea-- kind of a transition phase in my practice. Next Sunday, I'm hoping to pin down one of the Koreans at the temple to tell me how practice in Korea differs from what I see at this temple (which is almost all westerners, btw).
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is my understanding that 50 percent or so of koreans are christians with the remainder being buddhist/ confucius/ other religions/philosophies. i would imagine 20-30% are buddhists. in any regard, there are buddhist temples all over seoul and korea. i've visited quite a few and enjoyed it. maybe i'm wrong, but it seems to me that the younger/wealthier/english-speaking segment of korean society gravitates towards christianity as it does many western things, while the older, less affluent populace is more buddhist. for instance, the majority of my young rich students at a private university in seoul were christian, but nearly every taxi driver has buddhist leanings, beads hanging down from the rear view, etc. many of the poorer neighborhoods in northern seoul have little temples everywhere (designated by the strange red nazi-like symbol). there is a lot of bowing in korean temples. is this prevalent elsewhere? i didn't notice it in thailand (but i didn't actually attend a service w/ monk present). people come in and bow over and over to images of the buddha and other religious symbols -- it is a very ornate bow where the person is standing with hands together and eventually is prostate on the ground -- it must be very hard on the knees if you do it a couple of hours like some of the people were doing. this was followed by meditation while various monks came in and chanted and hit drums and metal bowls. offerings of rice, incense and other things were also placed at the alter. i would recommend going to a service if you get the chance, whether or not you are buddhist. it's okay to sit in the back (cross-legged with hands in the lap) and just meditate or observe respectfully (you don't have to bow). i would suggest going to kang-wa-do island west of seoul or the big temple near COEX mall in kangnam and, of course, kyung-ju.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it is my understanding that 50 percent or so of koreans are christians with the remainder being buddhist/ confucius/ other religions/philosophies. i would imagine 20-30% are buddhists.


I think it's more likely that 50% of Koreans who claim a religion are Christian. I usually hear the number of Korean Christians as being somewhere between 25 and 35 per cent of the population. I think the discrepancy results from different polls using different standards as to who qualifies as a Christian, ie. some list anyone who has ever been baptized, whereas others only include those who are currently practicing. That last bit is just my own theory, though.
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have met a couple of monks during my time here. One monk, I met while hiking up a mountain with my boyfriend. We saw his small temple, so we went up to have a closer look. He didn't speak much English, but invited us to have a look inside his temple, and asked us if we wanted some rice. Smile

Another time, a K-teacher, had asked us to meet one of his good friends who was a monk. We expressed an interest in learning more about Buddhism, so he took us to his friends temple, and we were invited into the monk's residence. We had tea with him(lots of it), and he then took us into his temple at night, and gave us some Zen training for about an hour. It is really difficult, a lot harder to do than you might think. Overall, it was one of my best experiences in Korea.

When we visited Seoul during Chuseok, we went to Jogyesa, and there was a large ceremony happening. A lot of chanting, and hundreds of people bowing over and over again...it was quite amazing, and the sights and sounds were just phenomenal.

Out of all religions, Buddhism appeals to me most. I can identify with the beliefs, and it makes sense to me on so many levels.


As a side note, if you are interested in staying at a temple in Korea, temple stays can be arranged. I am sure you must pay some money for it(which immediately turns me off the idea), but if you want more info, the site is:

http://www.templestaykorea.com/
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thorin



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:

Korea is traditionally a Buddhist country.


Since early ����, Korea has been a neo-Confucianist country.
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