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the saint



Joined: 09 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
rivers are here.

are you aware that that package contains Win2K drivers but nothing but the lame readme for WinXP... still reluctant to go ahead...
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry. They are ok for XP....they should start labelling things "NT-kernel based". Laughing

Anything in the BIOS about "enable high speed usb" in the "USB configuration" tab? (If you have one?)

Alternate download site:

http://www.perfectdrivers.com/local/usb20.zip
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U.S.A.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I skimmed throught this section quickly, so not sure if this was answered already: Is it possible to by a firewire external HD? If so, is it significantly faster than USB 2.0?
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, an external firewire HDDs are out there.

Firewire 800 (1600 Mbps) is much faster than both firewire 400 (400 Mbps) and USB 2.0 (480 Mbps).
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the saint



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Sorry. They are ok for XP....they should start labelling things "NT-kernel based". Laughing

Anything in the BIOS about "enable high speed usb" in the "USB configuration" tab? (If you have one?)

Alternate download site:

http://www.perfectdrivers.com/local/usb20.zip

Well, no joy. When I try to update to these which I now have downloaded, it tells me that they are no more recent than what I have installed. Secondly, when I get into the BIOS, I see that USB 2 is well and truly enabled at more than Hi Speed (something like superduper fast or somesuch jargon).

So, what is going on? USB 2 is enabled but none of my 8 USB ports are running it. Evil or Very Mad
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.Click Start, click Run, type devmgmt.msc, and then click OK.

2.Double-click the type of device that you want to update.

3.Double-click the specific device that you want to update.

4.Click the Driver tab, and then click Update Driver.

5.Follow the instructions in the Hardware Update Wizard.

6.Repeat steps 2 through 5 for each USB device.

Does the device manager show any "enhanced" USB controller now?

The other option (last ditch) is to remove all USB controllers via the device manager, then on reboot it will re-find them, perhaps configuring them differently. Perhaps it will even ask for an install directory, where you can guide it to the new drivers.

Can you not force the install of the new drivers? Try all the controllers...

What device are you trying to use USB 2.0 with? I know it may sound funny, but you are sure the device is USB 2.0 compliant? I have a newer Canon camera that is still USB 1.1. I would think it would be USB 2, but no.

Jazblanc had a bunch of problems as well, but I can't recall his solution. I had trouble too, but the aforementioned solutions worked for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's worth pointing out that, contrary to popular belief, USB2.0 != "high speed". It's a necessary but not sufficient condition.

Thus just because you have a piece of hardware that says "USB 2.0" doesn't mean you'll get it running at high speed.

http://www.usb.org/developers/packaging/

Quote:

Because the USB 2.0 Specification encompasses all USB data transfer speeds, low (1.5Mb/s), full (12Mb/s) and high (480Mb/s), it is important that vendors clearly communicate the type of product on packaging and in marketing and advertising materials. Inconsistent use of terminology in combination with the existing general misconception that USB 2.0 is synonymous with Hi-Speed USB and/or failure to display the Certified USB logo on qualified products creates confusion in the marketplace.
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the saint



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

listen, I've done every little thing you said and I am still stuck with the message, "There are no Hi Speed controllers on this computer" The drivers you gave me are the same version number as the ones already installed. My BIOS tells me it is all hi speed no problem...

The device in question is my new iriver IFP-799. WHen I plug it in I get a bubble up that it is a USB 2 device and so I should plug it into a USB 2 port. Should be no question that that is a USB 2 device.

So, this might have beaten us so far...
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen mate...I know this sounds loopy...perhaps it is. Seems that with Windows XP and this USB 2 thing, ya just gotta play with it. It seems like a comination of timing and luck; one almost has to fool XP into this.

Bad advice...sorry man. All of the perscribed solutions workedfor me and a few other peope's systems I have worked with.

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U.S.A.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Saint, I got an IFP-799 in February. How are you enjoying it? I love mine and am very glad I got a one gig player instead of smaller one. I can't ever imagine going back to a regular (tape or cd) player for exercising (I notice one to two new people a week seem to be getting some type of MP3 player at my health club).

Anyone have any recommendations for an external HD which is also firewire compatible? I have an older Sony Vaio with the 400 version of a firewire connection.

I'm currently in the states, so that's something to take into consideration. Also, I want to use the external HD primarily for music and video storage.

I currently have an 80 gig HD--geez, I remember with my first pc having under a gig and thinking that was large.
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the saint



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well Demo... I'll keep trying

@U.S.A. - yeah love the player but not just for the music. The recording is excellent both line-in and voice. I'm converting audio tapes to digital, preserving 15 year old recordings and using the voice recorder for research at work. So, all round, I'm very pleased with it.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S.A. wrote:


Anyone have any recommendations for an external HD which is also firewire compatible? I have an older Sony Vaio with the 400 version of a firewire connection.

I'm currently in the states, so that's something to take into consideration. Also, I want to use the external HD primarily for music and video storage.

I currently have an 80 gig HD--geez, I remember with my first pc having under a gig and thinking that was large.



Any hard drive will work for an external. It's the housing that has a firewire interface, not the hard drive itself. Get an external firwire housing and any size drive you like.

Unless it's firewire 800, go with a USB 2.0 ext. drive, just for all-round compatability btween many systems. This way, you can take the frive anywhere and be pretty much assured that it will have the necessary interface. (Most computers have USB, but not all have a firewire plug)
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U.S.A.



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked up an external HD today ($140). It's 160 GB. Thank you Circuit City. Actually, it was supposed to be $200 with a $60 mail-in rebate, but because someone had failed to take down the out-of-date discount sign, Circuit City went ahead and sold it to me for $140.

I've sent my files to the new HD and it did not take very long at all to shift a couple of gigs worth of music and a few videos (about 5 minutes). When I tried to let stuff move to the new HD and do other things, though, the transfer speed slowed quite a bit.

It has USB 2.0 and a couple of firewire ports. Sure it would've been cheaper to buy a kit and an regular HD but I'm lazy (and would probably screw it up).


C.C. (circuit city) had a really nifty 100 GB HD that was very slim and look as if it would almost fit in the back pocket of a pair of jeans (although I highly recommend never trying).

The price was rather high.

Anyway, thanks for the info folks.
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