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The evil penguin
Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....
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| they do have us on file though. when i applied this year, i had lost the paper from the cnd embassy that says that i am who i am (i used all names for uni, but my passport only has my first and last). anyway, we just told them to check the file and they did. |
doesn't apply in this case. I've just been on the phone to the school principal in Korea. Apparently somebody was arrested after working 5 years in korea with a fake degree. A korean immigration scapegoat was found and severely reprimanded. Now all officials are on their toes. I'm also on record at the im dept. but they are still refusing to process the visa without the transcript. Which I can't bloody find at present. I'll proabaly have to call my old uni and pay for another bloody one...... |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Something that nobody seems to have mentioned is the fact that a lot of these "hagwans" who hire illegally are new to the game, don't know the rules any more than the goof-balls they bring over as "teachers".
Certainly not all, but many. Many of them are starting out, and don't know that it is illegal to hire part-timers etc. and on top of that, they can't really afford to pay a full time foreign teacher.
I really think the laws ought to be changed to allow part-time work at multiple locations. No wonder so many hagwan bosses lie just to get a teacher over here, according to Korean law - they have no choice.
I'm not saying there aren't 'bad wonjong nims' out there that are evil, greedy, lying b@stiges, there are. But there are also those who just have no clue and are as much victims of the stupid government rules as the teachers they have to scam in order to survive. |
Nobody is that naive. Besides, they are given a package that outlines the rules and regulations well before they receive their business license (I should know, my wife and I own a hagwon). |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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| why don't they do something about the morons who hire people with fake degrees? |
The immigration official that they interviewed said they didn't have the manpower to handle the problem (i.e. screening the foreigners as if we are the source of the problem). Well, a solution would be for them to force the hagwon owners to pay for the screening process. |
The only problem I see with that is that once someone is screened, they would be "OKed" to work in Korea. So then, after a year contract, the next hakwan owner wouldn't have to pay for the screening process for that same person. So eventually you would get owners saying that it isn't fair that some have to pay for screening and others, who hire from within, don't. There could be a lot of infighting in that case. It might be possible we would see the number of jobs shrink in an instance like that.
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Good point. Maybe then they should be forced to pay additional fees, a couple hundred thousand won, regardless of whether the teacher has been in Korea or not. All the problems they have with their education system could be easily fixed with the government spent the time, money, and effort to do so, which would involve additional taxation. The tax burden on Koreans is a farce, so I doubt it would stiffle the economy. |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I see this news report as a foreshadowing of the near future.
The report shows two illegal teachers being caught. These nasty foreigners are trying to cheat KOREANS!! OMG, how can they? All FT are bad then, and the Koreans who hire them are just dupes and should receive the benefit of the doubt, because they are Korean. No Korean should be punished for the wrongdoing of these BAD BAD Foreigners!!
This is the news in Korea, willing to hide the truth and create hysteria in any way possible. Any situation where it's Koreans vs anyone else, and the media just goes nuts with it. Here's a news report where they created the situation themselves, and even went as far as turning them in. Those who are working illegally, good luck. You're gonna need it, with every Korean looking at every caucasion and thinking, "They're an illegal worker". Maybe immigration will be swamped with calls and just give up....  |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:36 am Post subject: |
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The government needs to go to the source of the problem - the Korean business owners who hire these illegal teachers.
Until the Korean Government starts targeting the business people who hire illegals to teach English in Korea, anything else is just a 'band-aid' solution.
So then, it seems, the Korean government isn't really all that interested in eliminating the problem of illegal English teachers. |
The exact same analysis could be levied toward the illegal migrant workers in America, and Canada for that matter.
The "problem" is usually identified as the individual workers themselves. Ship them out of the country, some say. Have stricter laws to keep them out in the first place, others say. They are all misdirected and discriminatory. The anti-immigrant sentiment in Canada is strong these days, amazingly so for a country built on it. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| TECO wrote: |
The government needs to go to the source of the problem - the Korean business owners who hire these illegal teachers.
Until the Korean Government starts targeting the business people who hire illegals to teach English in Korea, anything else is just a 'band-aid' solution.
So then, it seems, the Korean government isn't really all that interested in eliminating the problem of illegal English teachers. |
The exact same analysis could be levied toward the illegal migrant workers in America, and Canada for that matter.
The "problem" is usually identified as the individual workers themselves. Ship them out of the country, some say. Have stricter laws to keep them out in the first place, others say. They are all misdirected and discriminatory. The anti-immigrant sentiment in Canada is strong these days, amazingly so for a country built on it. |
Immigration officials back home aren't on the take, as they are here. They don't bust into the businesses and demand money up-front to "just go away."
They do here.
I know. It happened to my hagwon.
Korean apologists... hmmm... |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
| TECO wrote: |
The government needs to go to the source of the problem - the Korean business owners who hire these illegal teachers.
Until the Korean Government starts targeting the business people who hire illegals to teach English in Korea, anything else is just a 'band-aid' solution.
So then, it seems, the Korean government isn't really all that interested in eliminating the problem of illegal English teachers. |
The exact same analysis could be levied toward the illegal migrant workers in America, and Canada for that matter.
The "problem" is usually identified as the individual workers themselves. Ship them out of the country, some say. Have stricter laws to keep them out in the first place, others say. They are all misdirected and discriminatory. The anti-immigrant sentiment in Canada is strong these days, amazingly so for a country built on it. |
Immigration officials back home aren't on the take, as they are here. They don't bust into the businesses and demand money up-front to "just go away."
They do here.
I know. It happened to my hagwon.
Korean apologists... hmmm... |
This has happened to me twice. (Three times if I count the IO agents who cornered me with my secretary on the front steps of the building where a client of ours is located.)
First Time: I came out of the lift on my way to my office when some guy wandering through the halls saw me and followed me. (There were other companies' offices on the same floor.) I didn't pay him any mind at first, but I could hear his footsteps coming after me.  I walked through the front doors of our offices, past the receptionist, and into my personal office and closed the door. I could hear him whispering out there to the receptionist, and this went on for a while... After he finally left, I went out and asked what was up -- he was from the IO and was looking for ETs teaching company classes in the building. I asked why he hung around so long, and she said he seemed to think he'd be able to shake us down just because. Didn't work.
Second Time: I was visiting a (Korean) friend at her office. It was a small place, small staff, and an open floor plan, so you could see everyone and what was going on the minute you walked in. I get all these nervous looks from the girls, and my friend motions me over to her cubicle. In a far corner of the room there's some middle-aged dude going through the contents of a desk, while one of the girls stands beside him and packs things into boxes. He notices me and asks the Koreans who I am, and then walks up to me and demands to see some ID. I show him, answer some questions, and then he goes back to rifling through that desk. My friend tells me to go down to the lobby coffee shop & wait for her. She comes down a bit later and tells me he was from the IO (duh!) and was investigating some Korean-American guy they'd recently hired. Don't recall the whole story, but they bribed the official 200,000 won to buzz off, and he was never seen again. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Berlitz did the same thing when the Immigration goons came around to speak to the illegals.
My roommate, a legal Berlitz teacher, was dating the accountant for Berlitz. She told him many things that we wern't aware of relating to this kind of b.s.
Funny thing now is the former Berlitz Korea country director, Revital Golan, is now here in Taiwan criticizing the Taiwanese government for not playing fair with regards to stringent MOE regulations.
Maybe Revital hasn't found the right person to bribe yet in Taiwan like she did in Kroea? |
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