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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: koreans too cheap to save Oxford's korean studies program |
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Found this link on the marmot's blog
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200503/200503290024.html
Hard to see the rest of the world taking korea seriously when koreans themselves don't feel their own country is worth learning about.
Apparently Oxford University are planning on ceasing their korean studies program in 2007 unless someone will kick in the cash to prop it up (completely understandable as unis of course need to be financially viable)
All this arguing over dokdo and japanese history textbooks and they won't support a program to teach people the korean side of these events.
Yet another case of korean 'logic'
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U.K.'s Korean Studies Dying for Lack of Support
Not long after a U.K. visit by Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, the country's oldest university Oxford has provisionally decided to shut down its Korean studies program, the latest in the slow death of such programs all across Britain. Critics point out that Japan aggressively supports Japanese studies abroad, enabling it to highlight its side of disputes such as the recent territorial spat over Korea's Dokdo Islets, while Korea has no such strategy.
Prof. James Lewis of the Department of Korean Studies of the Faculty of Oriental Studies at Oxford University said Tuesday the university recently decided to do away with regional studies programs that do not financially support themselves. He said financial trouble would likely force the university to drop Korean studies, which was clearly not bringing in the required financial support, from June 2007.
Lewis said Oxford's Korean studies program was founded in 1994 with the support of the Korean government's Korea Foundation and was currently surviving on the patronage of a businessman. He expressed concern that the program would be left high and dry if the businessman withdraws his sponsorship.
A spokesman from the Korean Students Association at Oxford said the group asked several institutions in Korea to help the university's Korean program but was told there was no budget. The spokesman said for this to happen the same year President Roh paid a state visit to the U.K. was harmful to the promotion of friendly ties between the two countries. Worse, he said it would narrow the room available to overseas specialists who could speak for Korea's position in disputes like Dokdo Islets row.
The University of Durham also decided to shut down its Korean studies program, and the University of Newcastle will soon decide whether to scrap its Korean studies, sparking fears of a domino effect. Some critics worry whether the government's recent announcement that it will strengthen overseas Korean research through the Academy of Korean Studies was only hot air.
In sharp contrast, none of the financially struggling British universities are shutting down their Japanese and Chinese programs. The Japanese government and corporations like Nissan have been pouring lavish funds into Oxford's Japanese program since the 1980s, and the university library even has a separate, 100,000-volume Japan section. As a result of Japanese support for the discipline, the British media is full of articles reflecting Japan's position in conflicts like the Dokdo row.
Lewis said Japanese governmental and corporate support for overseas Japanese research meant the world's elites commonly saw problems between Korea and Japan from Tokyo's point of view. |
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taobenli
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm...this article is pretty one-sided. I have been following a discussion on the Korean Studies listserv on this topic which explains things a bit better. Yes, in an ideal world the Korean government would fund Korea Studies programs all over the world. But despite the article's assertion, Japan and China don't do this, either. The simple fact is that Japan and China studies programs have been around much longer and generally have more support from universities and communities. The situation at Oxford is that they didn't establish a clear agreement with the Korea Foundation when the program was established a few years ago. At most universities, area studies programs ARE largely funded by foreign governments for a few years, and the funds are matched by the university.
The truth is, Korean Studies programs at foreign universities are not funded by the government, but by the Korea Foundation, and they are stretched pretty thin. The government needs to remove restrictions so that KF can work with foreign governments better. And in the UK, it is especially difficult to keep Korean programs going because the interest isn't quite there- there are also not the Korean communities to support the programs as there at say, UCLA.
I think to say that Koreans in general are "cheap" is kind of a low blow. If you look at the University of Washington's Korea Studies program (my program), when a history position was going to be terminated for lack of funds, the Korean community contributed a great deal of money to ensure that this didn't happen.
http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws/2005-April/004709.html |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Thank you 'taobenli'! I didn't know you were on the listserve, too!
To say that it's the Korean gov'ts job to fund Korean studies programs is ridiculous. So, grants were given to start the program... does that mean that Oxford can sit on their butt and not try to keep it going on their own? If Oxford can't be bothered to try hard for the program, why should the Korea Foundation (not the gov't) be sending money there instead of to programs that are live and well and supported by their host universities as well??? |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003 Location: 서울
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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hm.. i went to oxford and i wasn't even aware of korean studies as a subject. i knew a lot of the members of korean society there, and i don't even think any of them were studying it. to be honest they probably just got rid of it because nobody wanted to take it. oxford does still offer japanology as a degree, and that's probably because there are enough people who are interested in it.
its a shame they are no longer offering korean studies, but maybe what the korean government should be doing is helping make korea more visible in the world, and making korean studies something people might want to study. |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Cedar wrote: |
Thank you 'taobenli'! I didn't know you were on the listserve, too!
To say that it's the Korean gov'ts job to fund Korean studies programs is ridiculous. So, grants were given to start the program... does that mean that Oxford can sit on their butt and not try to keep it going on their own? If Oxford can't be bothered to try hard for the program, why should the Korea Foundation (not the gov't) be sending money there instead of to programs that are live and well and supported by their host universities as well??? |
The point is there obviously not enough students interested in korea to make the program financially viable.. It is not Oxford's job to keep it going whilst losing money hand over fist. Of course they don't care if there is no korean studies program. It's up to others to prop it up if they think it's worthwhile. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why should powerhouse universities like Oxford need someone to 'prop up' their programs? The whole idea of a grant to get a program going is to help some institution meet initial costs, and by taking that initial grant and then NOT doing their own share to keep the program going, in my opinion Oxford was not being honorable. |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Cedar wrote: |
Why should powerhouse universities like Oxford need someone to 'prop up' their programs? The whole idea of a grant to get a program going is to help some institution meet initial costs, and by taking that initial grant and then NOT doing their own share to keep the program going, in my opinion Oxford was not being honorable. |
If you were running a business would you keep a program running that was losing money? |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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No, I wouldn't keep an unprofitable business going. In this case, though the question should be "would you even start a business you weren't confident could earn money using someone else's money and giving them your word that you'd do a good job with their investment"? If Oxford wasn't serious about a good Korean Studies Program, they should have let that money go somewhere else from the get-go! |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Cedar wrote: |
If Oxford wasn't serious about a good Korean Studies Program, they should have let that money go somewhere else from the get-go! |
It is being cancelled because the amount of students taking the class is quite low (thus lower revenue from student tuition for the course and government student subsidies) which means it requires a higher amount of outside subsidies to carry the program as the total cost of the program to the university is the same whether one student attends each class or fifty do.
If the program was more popular, it would not require outside subsidies.
The money they accepted from others went exactly where they said it would, just that the students didn't come. No great loss, as anyone interested in Korean history can still pick up a book from a library. They just won't have a teacher organize a semester's worth of study and discussion for them. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Gord wrote: |
No great loss, as anyone interested in Korean history can still pick up a book from a library. They just won't have a teacher organize a semester's worth of study and discussion for them. |
Well, actually, Oxford has I believe about 5 professors in their dept. and two of them are prolific writers whose books I have learned a lot from. This man and woman of whom I speak would teach you heck of a lot more than you could ever read in a history book. Professor guided learning from even an average professor should be more learning than you get independently. If that wasn't true, after the invention of books teachers for everything but reading would have slowly dissappeared, right? I know some of you on this board have chosen to get on-line degrees, and the convenience and often the cost certainly make that a serious option these days, but I KNOW that the challenges I get in class are causing me to learn way more than I could have remotely.
So, if all you want is to know the outline of Korean history, sure you can pick up a book from a library, but... if you think the quality of professors in that program do nothing more than teach you "The Gwanggaeto Stele was erected in 414" you'd be wrong.
With professors of the caliber I know exist there, I wonder, is the program failing because of lack of student interest, or lack of support from the administration... if the administration never tries to sell a student on the benefits of the program, why would anyone enroll in those classes? Oxford is a long way from Korea... there has to be institutional support, not just the existence of a class or a program.
I think it IS a great loss that this program is closing--I just don't want to blame it on the Korean gov't and the Korea Foundation, I'd rather blame it on the people who were the most intimately responsible--the Oxford administration. |
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