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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 8:56 pm Post subject: **IMPORTANT** F-2 VISA HOLDERS TAKE NOTE |
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if you have an F-2 visa, you will have to pay a re-entry fee everytime you leave the country (30,000)...unless you go to your local immigration office and pay for a multiple re-entry stamp (good for one year/costs 50,000). you cannot get the multiple re-entry stamp at the airport.
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PootyTang

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Valley of the sun
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Mack, I appreciate the info. |
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Dr. Buck

Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Land of the Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Good work Mack. That's exactly the good quality, techical lowdown kind of information that this board needs more of.
And one more quick question about the F-2:
Scenario: You have a fat and long summer break at your school. During this time you want to teach at a summer camp for some extra cash. You have a F-2. What is the protocol/procedure for swinging this plan? Or is there any? Just do it? No permission from the current employer is needed, right? Also, there is the standard ESL contract clause that you cannot accept any other outside employment. However, since I am "empowered" by the F-2, this point suddenly becomes negotiable.
Preferably, I'd like to just quietly go about my business this summer without the current employer knowing of my summer plans, since it's none of their business, if only to maintain that critical workplace harmony, and to avoid any sort of dispute (the Korean method--avoid confrontation). Any comments? |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 6:41 pm Post subject: The Summer Thing |
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Dr. B,
Well, I was told that if I wanted additional employment, all I had to do was inform immigration...as my F2 is my primary visa. I don't need permission from my uni., however, I am unsure to what papers are needed for such added employment. Also, the officer told me that I would have to pay the 30,000 won for the additional visa stamp.
I'll find out for sure, as I am in the same situation.
Shoosh,
Ryst |
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Dr. Buck

Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Land of the Morning Clam
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know the answer to the situation that Ryst Helmut and I are in? The clock is ticking. Any leads would be appreciated. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:24 am Post subject: |
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As I have always understood it... sorry, your Alien Reg card has the name of your school on it. Your E2 is tied to the school. The school must give permission to work anywhere else.
With camps, some camps pay under the table, in which case you don't need permission, but some camps have been raided, too. So, many require school permission. Esp. the ones where the pay is sweet and the learning serious. |
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Canuck
Joined: 05 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:35 am Post subject: |
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As I understand it, if your primary visa is the E2 you need permission.In that case your school is your sponsor. Your owner in effect. With the F-2-1 your E2 is a secondary visa, and it only means that you can teach for a living. Sponsorship is tied to your F-2-1. Your spouse. So you dont need permission from your school. |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:41 am Post subject: |
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I don't think immigration themselves have figured out the protocol yet. I was told that if I want a second job I would still have to get permission from the 1st employer. It seems ridiculous but that's what I was told. Then again they have three or four answers for every question. Maybe if I asked again I'd get a better answer.
Anyone want to chip in and get a lawyer to find out what the real law is?  |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Thread moved from General Discussion Forum to Job-Related ... don't mind me, just tidying up the place a little.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Canuck wrote: |
As I understand it, if your primary visa is the E2 you need permission.In that case your school is your sponsor. Your owner in effect. With the F-2-1 your E2 is a secondary visa, and it only means that you can teach for a living. Sponsorship is tied to your F-2-1. Your spouse. So you dont need permission from your school. |
It works like this an F-2-1 does not by it self let you work, however If you have an F2 -1 then you can get an E-2 to go with it. Unfortunately
The Policy at immigration is that they will only give you permission to work at one place. If you want to work at second place you will still need permission from your first employer like you would if you only had an E-2.
Actually the F-2-1 isn't very useful. |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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the F-2-1 isn't very useful |
correction...the F-2-1 is quite useful for any number of reasons.
1) you can live in korea without working (if you so choose)...yes, you could do this on a tourist visa but you have to leave every 3 months (u.s. folks) and you raise eyebrows every time you enter/leave the country...
2) you will never be threatened by your employer as you might be with the E-2 (e.g. "You will not be able to come back into korea if you quit your job!)
3) you will never be deported for you-know-what (you will go to jail, however, for nasty crimes (say, smoking wacky weed) just like a korean national)
4) it is much easier to negotiate higher salaries since you don't need anything (hopefully, at this point in your life) from the school (such as insurance, housing, airfare, etc.)
5) i have been offered several jobs from private schools (not hogwons) which would NOT sponser an E-2 visa but WOULD hire me because i had an F-2-1.
6) therefore, if you are in possession of an F-2-1, consider yourself lucky because a) you have a lovely wife b) all of the aforementioned reasons c) it gives you more credibility with koreans when they find out you are married to a korean...this is the NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT REASON and makes a huge difference in how you are perceived by the masses...HUGE...like my (edit)... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
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the F-2-1 isn't very useful |
correction...the F-2-1 is quite useful for any number of reasons.
1) you can live in korea without working (if you so choose)...yes, you could do this on a tourist visa but you have to leave every 3 months (u.s. folks) and you raise eyebrows every time you enter/leave the country...
2) you will never be threatened by your employer as you might be with the E-2 (e.g. "You will not be able to come back into korea if you quit your job!)
3) you will never be deported for you-know-what (you will go to jail, however, for nasty crimes (say, smoking wacky weed) just like a korean national)
4) it is much easier to negotiate higher salaries since you don't need anything (hopefully, at this point in your life) from the school (such as insurance, housing, airfare, etc.)
5) i have been offered several jobs from private schools (not hogwons) which would NOT sponser an E-2 visa but WOULD hire me because i had an F-2-1.
6) therefore, if you are in possession of an F-2-1, consider yourself lucky because a) you have a lovely wife b) all of the aforementioned reasons c) it gives you more credibility with koreans when they find out you are married to a korean...this is the NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT REASON and makes a huge difference in how you are perceived by the masses...HUGE...like my (edit)... |
Will they not deport you for doing privates or second location work? You have some info on this? I would really like to know. |
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jamesH
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I read a lot of amazing wrong truths here. It is almost to the point where if anyone want the wrong answer come here! The fact is simple. If your first contract prohibits a second job, the F2 does not negate your contract. (it supplements it) If you do a second job, the 1st employer can sack you for breach of contract. So you need his permission. Just ask at your local labor office how many teachers have been sacked recntly because they didn't get permission - = 4 in Seoul any way) How would you feel if you were the Primary employer and your employee started working at (maybe an opposition school) It would be - 'see you later joe' |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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jamesH wrote: |
I read a lot of amazing wrong truths here. It is almost to the point where if anyone want the wrong answer come here! The fact is simple. If your first contract prohibits a second job, the F2 does not negate your contract. (it supplements it) If you do a second job, the 1st employer can sack you for breach of contract. So you need his permission. Just ask at your local labor office how many teachers have been sacked recntly because they didn't get permission - = 4 in Seoul any way) How would you feel if you were the Primary employer and your employee started working at (maybe an opposition school) It would be - 'see you later joe' |
So James, where is the "wrong truth" (?) ? Isn't that exactly what a half-dozen of us have just said? |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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...will they not deport you... |
nope...
i've already said in other threads that i have a buddy who's been busted several times (twice working at business hogwons---word of caution) and everytime he was merely fined. i think once they made him fly to japan (how retarded) but he just came right back in  |
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