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Goro-chan
Joined: 15 Apr 2004
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I totally agree with JacktheCat.
My school has just hired a new teacher and aslo needs another teacher from next month but we are struggling to find people.
The pay and conditions are pretty standard, but the killer seems to be either that the work hours are 9-5 and you have to be there (even if there may be no classes to teach) and that the school is not in Seoul but instead in the suburbs.
There seem to be so many job posts for public school jobs these days that it has turned into a jobseeker's dream market. But for the school it is getting hard to find people as the teachers are asking for huge money that just isn't available.
My school wants to hire privately, but seeing as we aren't getting any applicants we'll probably have to end up going through a recruiter which will end up with a twisted net of lies and broken promises that won't help with the school or the new teacher! |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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And you have to remember, that DW is bragging about two things.
#1 -- His pay
#2 -- His lack of experience
Given all of the changes that have taken place throughout Korea this past year, it is doubtful that he will be able to hold on to his current conditions in the next contract.
At any moment, his director may wake up and realize the fact that they paid too much for a foriegner lacking any special qualifications. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
And you have to remember, that DW is bragging about two things.
#1 -- His pay
#2 -- His lack of experience
Given all of the changes that have taken place throughout Korea this past year, it is doubtful that he will be able to hold on to his current conditions in the next contract.
At any moment, his director may wake up and realize the fact that they paid too much for a foriegner lacking any special qualifications. |
I have plenty of experience Derrek. 3 years in hagwons and I will have a year's experience at a public school by the end of my contract. The fact is Derrek, that unlike you, my employers are not cash strapped and are professional.
As for my qualifications. Well, all they would need to do is ask my VP or principal about the job Im doing. I am sure no one will complain. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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I think we are going to see a turnaround of the ESL industry in Korea. As more people work in public/private schools and start leaving the hogwan industry things will improve for qualified decent instructors.
some things do need to change.
why should a foreign teacher sit around at a school if they dont have any classes?
If you are prepared for your classes and do a good job you should be allowed to take off when finished.
2 weeks of holidays is not enough IMO. FT's should get February off(in my school there are no classes for the FT to teach and to have to come in and sit around for 8 hours a day is stupid to say the least) and an additional 2 weeks(14 days) off in August. If they offered these type of holidays they would have alot less problems filling their FT needs irregardless of money. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Public School job questions |
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On to my point: at the end of this contract I'm going to try to find a public school job. I'm going home for a month or two then off to Thailand to get certified in TEFL.
With a year+ experience here and a certificate, will I be qualified to teach public school here?
Also what are people's opinions on the best way to find public school jobs? Recruiters? Online postings?
It's a while away but I'd like to start planning and thinking about my options. |
You'll be qualified, but you won't have the cream of the crop jobs. As for finding work, online postings maybe, or just get to know some other people teaching at public schools and mention your interest in working at one and maybe they'll drop a line when something becomes available. You may even want to consider talking with the public school you're working for now and seeing if they'll need somebody. I had a very similar situation after my first contract ended and that's how I landed a public school job. It wasn't the best, but it did the trick for a year.
On that note, don't be fooled by teaching 4 classes a week at a public school. I was lured into it by that and when I became full-time staff, I realized how strenuous it could be. I tell ya, though, the schedule was exactly what I was looking for, 9-4:30, rest of life to myself. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
Location: Anseong
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies everyone. My contract ends in January and I need to take some time to go home because my grandmother is sick. So I figure I probably will be back in Korea around March, which seems to be a good time to look for public school jobs, if Grotto is right.
I'm not concerned with making 3.5, for right now I'm not even really concerned with making 2.5. I'd just like to get away from the mommy politics and start teaching for real. I love the kindergartners, but just not teaching them.
I think I'm articulate, which translates to selling myself well so I think I'll do ok.
Do most people who work at public school teach elementary or middle/high school? I have a BA in English and I'd love to teach something more exciting than basic phonics or reading and I'm assuming there's more opportunity to do that with older kids. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:09 am Post subject: |
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You'd do well to try arranging a position before showing up in march -- school year starts march 2nd.
& dont think you'll have kissed phonics goodbye! I was amused to watch my 2nd-year middleschoolers struggle to spell country names today. But they gave it their best. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| You'd do well to try arranging a position before showing up in march -- school year starts march 2nd. |
Do you think I'd be able to get a decent job on the promise of a TEFL certificate (plus experience, etc.)? I plan on getting it in Febuary then coming directly to Korea from Thailand. I would definitely like to get a job lined up for me when I get back here.
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| & dont think you'll have kissed phonics goodbye! I was amused to watch my 2nd-year middleschoolers struggle to spell country names today. But they gave it their best. |
Oh I don't doubt it. But do you teach anything "exciting" to your middleschoolers? Exciting meaning maybe using literature to teach or something along those lines. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| harixseldon wrote: |
Do you think I'd be able to get a decent job on the promise of a TEFL certificate (plus experience, etc.)? I plan on getting it in Febuary then coming directly to Korea from Thailand. I would definitely like to get a job lined up for me when I get back here.
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A lot of public schools have had trouble finding teachers given their crappy conditions. Getting a public school job isn't hard. Finding a good one is.
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Exciting meaning maybe using literature to teach or something along those lines. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| You'd do well to try arranging a position before showing up in march -- school year starts march 2nd. |
Do you think I'd be able to get a decent job on the promise of a TEFL certificate (plus experience, etc.)? I plan on getting it in Febuary then coming directly to Korea from Thailand. I would definitely like to get a job lined up for me when I get back here.
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| & dont think you'll have kissed phonics goodbye! I was amused to watch my 2nd-year middleschoolers struggle to spell country names today. But they gave it their best. |
Oh I don't doubt it. But do you teach anything "exciting" to your middleschoolers? Exciting meaning maybe using literature to teach or something along those lines. |
Sorry, I dont know how it works applying with "pending" qualifications. You could try!
Teaching literature to middleschoolers? Aint gonna happen. Thats not to say you cant make your classes exciting though. Keep it simple. Be creative, responsive, & funny, & like the kids, & they'll like you back. You'll figure it out quick enough. |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:01 am Post subject: |
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What are those laughs for?!?!?! Laughs at the thought of teaching literature in Korean middleschool? 
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Teaching literature to middleschoolers? Aint gonna happen. Thats not to say you cant make your classes exciting though. Keep it simple. Be creative, responsive, & funny, & like the kids, & they'll like you back. You'll figure it out quick enough. |
I meant more exciting for me not them. Hehe
Point taken though. I'm not talking about teaching Shakespeare but more to the tune of showing grammer rules through Harry Potter or something like that. |
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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adventureman
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I don't see how you could teach grammer at the elementary level without translation assistance and I probably wouldn't even get that much into at the middle school level either, seeing as how they already get plenty of grammer stuffed down their pants (or up their skirts) by the Korean English teachers. Our purpose is to teach conversation and make the kids feel more comfortable talking and being exposed to foreigners, right? |
My question was actually geared towards middle or high school students. If all public schools hire foreigners specifically for conversation, then it's a moot point I guess. Though I don't teach conversation now at all, even in the few classes I teach at an elementary school. But I hear where you're coming from. The kids I teach now couldn't handle any English books outside of the simple textbooks. |
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