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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ok....keyboards....think about angle. Laptops are flat, desktop keyboards are on an incline.
Yes, one can jack up the back of the laptop (may be pertinent to reduce heat anyways), but then, it's not stock is it?
Dramatic? Not so much. I can buy a more powerful, upgradeable mini computer (for less than a laptop) with an LCD and it's almost as portable (even laptops require a bag, especially with the external drive to carry) and needs no more plug-ins than your "portable" solution.
Laptop keyboards have a different feel than desktop keyboards and requiring even one power plug-in makes a laptop dependent; it has lost its main appeal. Might as well plug the laptop in as well...carrying a single-to-dual plug adapter is simple, as is one extra cord. If there is one plug, there is usually two. Heck, one might as well stick a mini system in a small gymbag and take that to Starbucks.
With a Geforce 6800 in that bad boy, you would get a lot more chicks playing some goofy Lineage game.
Besides all of this, a top-shelf laptop will cost you almost $3000...do you have any idea what you could stuff into a mini computer for that cost? It would blow the doors off the laptop, be equally as portable (eveyone knows how long a laptop battery would last playing Doom 3) and in he end, cost less. Additionally, it would be 100% upgradeable and not a paperweight in 2 years time.
I consider laptops an expenditure, whereas a desktop an investment. When the laptop becomes a Gramputer, the whole thing goes....display, keyboard, hard drives...the works. Upgrading a desktop often requires only a part here and there to achieve the desired effect. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, keyboards indeed. Why do people need their keyboards at an incline? I don't understand it, so I can't really comment on it other than to I say I personally find the inclines harder on my carpal tunnels.
Next, portability. Mini-systems are nice (I left a Shuttle back home) but they are not "equally as portable" nor evern "almost as portable" as laptops. Laptops are great for long trans-Atlantic/Pacific flights and short weekend jaunts to SE Asia. On the other, hand try getting your mini-box past customs. Try checking it in and seeing if it gets past the bomb-detectors, and if it does, whether your drives are in tact when you arrive.
Portability is more than just transporting something from point A to B. Want to bring your laptop on your weekend trip to Seoul or Busan? What about to the office so you can work on your system in between split shifts? Or the coffee shop if you live in a cramped little poopbox like I do? Throw it in a bag and flip it open whenever you need it. Sure you could throw your mini-box, monitor, keyboard, powersuppy etc into a gym bag and assemble everything when you need it, but c'mon be honest... you're not going to bother, and if you do, you're not getting any numbers at the Starbucks.
Cost? I spent about $1200 on my IBook with the memory upgrade. In two years I'll sell it for about $300 - 400 (you'd be surprised how well Macs depreciate) and buy the latest PowerBook. < $1000 for two years use isn't all the bad, imo. Sure you can update components individually on a box for 10 years but it's an idealistic advantage. In my case, I replace boxes, motherboards, RAM, harddrives within 3 year cycles.
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| I consider laptops an expenditure, whereas a desktop an investment. |
You're implying that investing in a laptop is either/or proposition. It's not. You either need a laptop or you don't. If you need one, you should get one, and if you don't you shouldn't. Whenever there's a discussion about laptops there always seems to be at least one ultra-geek who scoffs at the notion of paying more for a under-powered product. These people are missing the point. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| I consider laptops an expenditure, whereas a desktop an investment. |
That I can do contract work with a laptop in a Starbucks, I don't consider that a mere expenditure. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| cheem wrote: |
| Ok, keyboards indeed. Why do people need their keyboards at an incline? I don't understand it, so I can't really comment on it other than to I say I personally find the inclines harder on my carpal tunnels. |
As I said, they hurt my wrists otherwise.
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| Next, portability. Mini-systems are nice (I left a Shuttle back home) but they are not "equally as portable" nor evern "almost as portable" as laptops. Laptops are great for long trans-Atlantic/Pacific flights and short weekend jaunts to SE Asia. On the other, hand try getting your mini-box past customs. Try checking it in and seeing if it gets past the bomb-detectors, and if it does, whether your drives are in tact when you arrive. |
Done it. Much worse, in fact. A suitcase full of parts, and fit together very tightly...post 911. No problem.
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| Portability is more than just transporting something from point A to B. Want to bring your laptop on your weekend trip to Seoul or Busan? What about to the office so you can work on your system in between split shifts? Or the coffee shop if you live in a cramped little poopbox like I do? Throw it in a bag and flip it open whenever you need it. Sure you could throw your mini-box, monitor, keyboard, powersuppy etc into a gym bag and assemble everything when you need it, but c'mon be honest... you're not going to bother, and if you do, you're not getting any numbers at the Starbucks. |
Yes, but what of your externals? It seems we are bouncing off 2 situations here. I am playing at a laptop with all the fixin's...you are playing from a bare system. I was under the impression that this little circle was spinning around a laptop compared to a desktop/mini system.
And I just wouldn't go to Starbucks, especially to do "work" or pick up girls. As you say, it's about how much you need those things and I need neither.
| cheem wrote: |
| Cost? I spent about $1200 on my IBook with the memory upgrade. In two years I'll sell it for about $300 - 400 (you'd be surprised how well Macs depreciate) and buy the latest PowerBook. < $1000 for two years use isn't all the bad, imo. Sure you can update components individually on a box for 10 years but it's an idealistic advantage. In my case, I replace boxes, motherboards, RAM, harddrives within 3 year cycles. |
Think about a 2-year computer that can do what the Mac can. Very, very cheap, especially as gaming isn't an issue. Heck, one can get by with onboard graphics and sound.
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| You're implying that investing in a laptop is either/or proposition. It's not. You either need a laptop or you don't. If you need one, you should get one, and if you don't you shouldn't. Whenever there's a discussion about laptops there always seems to be at least one ultra-geek who scoffs at the notion of paying more for a under-powered product. These people are missing the point. |
Not missing the point, just making fun it. I would do everything to avoid buying a laptop, even if I "needed" one. I just don't like them. An "ultra-geek"...funny....I thought I was just a guy with an opinion. Anyways, it seems that one of the focal points of your post was the chick factor, and that is also kind of goofy, no? Yes, I do scoff at the notion of laptops...they really are a soaking. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| cheem wrote: |
| Ok, keyboards indeed. Why do people need their keyboards at an incline? I don't understand it, so I can't really comment on it other than to I say I personally find the inclines harder on my carpal tunnels. |
As I said, they hurt my wrists otherwise. I guess we are not the same people, huh?
| cheem wrote: |
| Next, portability. Mini-systems are nice (I left a Shuttle back home) but they are not "equally as portable" nor evern "almost as portable" as laptops. Laptops are great for long trans-Atlantic/Pacific flights and short weekend jaunts to SE Asia. On the other, hand try getting your mini-box past customs. Try checking it in and seeing if it gets past the bomb-detectors, and if it does, whether your drives are in tact when you arrive. |
Done it. Much worse, in fact. A suitcase full of parts, and fit together very tightly...post 911. No problem.
| cheem wrote: |
| Portability is more than just transporting something from point A to B. Want to bring your laptop on your weekend trip to Seoul or Busan? What about to the office so you can work on your system in between split shifts? Or the coffee shop if you live in a cramped little poopbox like I do? Throw it in a bag and flip it open whenever you need it. Sure you could throw your mini-box, monitor, keyboard, powersuppy etc into a gym bag and assemble everything when you need it, but c'mon be honest... you're not going to bother, and if you do, you're not getting any numbers at the Starbucks. |
Yes, but what of your externals? It seems we are bouncing off 2 situations here. I am playing at a laptop with all the fixin's...you are playing from a bare system. I was under the impression that this little circle was spinning around a laptop compared to a desktop/mini system.
And I just wouldn't go to Starbucks, especially to do "work" or pick up girls. As you say, it's about how much you need those things and I need neither.
| cheem wrote: |
| Cost? I spent about $1200 on my IBook with the memory upgrade. In two years I'll sell it for about $300 - 400 (you'd be surprised how well Macs depreciate) and buy the latest PowerBook. < $1000 for two years use isn't all the bad, imo. Sure you can update components individually on a box for 10 years but it's an idealistic advantage. In my case, I replace boxes, motherboards, RAM, harddrives within 3 year cycles. |
Think about a 2-year computer that can do what the Mac can. Very, very cheap, especially as gaming isn't an issue. Heck, one can get by with onboard graphics and sound.
| cheem wrote: |
| You're implying that investing in a laptop is either/or proposition. It's not. You either need a laptop or you don't. If you need one, you should get one, and if you don't you shouldn't. Whenever there's a discussion about laptops there always seems to be at least one ultra-geek who scoffs at the notion of paying more for a under-powered product. These people are missing the point. |
Not missing the point, just making fun it. I would do everything to avoid buying a laptop, even if I "needed" one. I just don't like them. An "ultra-geek"...funny....I thought I was just a guy with an opinion. Anyways, it seems that one of the focal points of your post was the chick factor, and that is also kind of goofy, no? Yes, I do scoff at the notion of laptops...they really are a soaking. |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Done it. Much worse, in fact. A suitcase full of parts, and fit together very tightly...post 911. No problem. |
Congratulations. Now if you'd opened up your suitcase with a void where your box once was and a letter from U.S. customs, who would the goat be?
| Demophobe wrote: |
| Yes, but what of your externals? It seems we are bouncing off 2 situations here. I am playing at a laptop with all the fixin's...you are playing from a bare system. I was under the impression that this little circle was spinning around a laptop compared to a desktop/mini system. |
Yes, but in my world one can unplug a laptop from its peripherals before leaving the house. Use your imagination.
| Demophobe wrote: |
| Think about a 2-year computer that can do what the Mac can. Very, very cheap, especially as gaming isn't an issue. Heck, one can get by with onboard graphics and sound. |
Well, duh. Who doesn't know that a desktop will be cheaper than a comparable laptop. Apples and oranges again.
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| Not missing the point, just making fun it. I would do everything to avoid buying a laptop, even if I "needed" one. I just don't like them. |
That's interesting. You'd avoid buying a laptop even if you "needed" one? That's a pretty strong bias; not particularly useful in a thread where the OP explicitly mentioned the IBook's portability as one of its points.
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| An "ultra-geek"...funny....I thought I was just a guy with an opinion. Anyways, it seems that one of the focal points of your post was the chick factor, and that is also kind of goofy, no? |
An ultra-nerd and a guy with an opinion aren't mutually exclusive. And I agree, the chick factor is lame, but some guys here need all the help they can get.
Now have a look at this:
I'll bet this guy can work like a champ from home, and on the go without looking like a lan-party geek. |
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: wow |
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| Cheem that is erotic....awesome |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Cheem, you have only one monitor and I don't see all the much piled up there in terms of hard drives.
I do see something that I can't meaningfully expand.
I still say portability is the only thing you have and if I ever decide I need portability I'll just get an L series VAIO for under a million (that'll fit in my pocket). |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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iCheem, it is indeed a nice looking setup. Too bad about that little Mac powerbook behind it. Hehe....*cheap shot*
I would post a piccie of my setup but....well.....I know how good it is. No need for that.
You really seem to need approval. Daves, Starbucks....anywhere else you like to ipose? 
Work like a champ from home? Who would know? From what I hear, this guy is always at Starbucks, watching people looking at him.
A Mac at a LAN party? You are ijoking, right?
Just playing. Ya gotta love winding up Mac-types...they are so defensive anyways. This thread has gone on way too long. I will never see your point because it's not mine. Its yours, and better that way.
I'm with the_beaver though...if a laptop is in the cards, it will be a PCI-E compatable M beast. A desktop replacement, not a brain transplant.
Enjoy what you do!
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Cheem, you have only one monitor and I don't see all the much piled up there in terms of hard drives.
I do see something that I can't meaningfully expand.
I still say portability is the only thing you have and if I ever decide I need portability I'll just get an L series VAIO for under a million (that'll fit in my pocket). |
Last month I was at Yongsan and saw these going for 980,000 won and they would fit into your jacket pocket. Not powerful, but all you need is portablity. I want to be able to take my powerpoint file, wmv file, or mp3's with me to class, this is all I need. I'll stick to my desktop for real computing power and ease of expandability.
Laptops are inferior in every way to desktops except portability. Even then if your laptop has a screen bigger than 10" it's too damn big in my opinion. Actually 8" would still be a little big... What I"m looking for is something slightly larger than a korean/english dictionary |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:50 am Post subject: |
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I would post a piccie of my setup but....well.....I know how good it is. No need for that.
You really seem to need approval. Daves, Starbucks....anywhere else you like to ipose?
Work like a champ from home? Who would know? From what I hear, this guy is always at Starbucks, watching people looking at him.
A Mac at a LAN party? You are ijoking, right? |
Nice edit, Constanza, but come on, that took you 20 minutes? The ocean called... they're running low on one-liners man.
Seriously though, that ain't my setup, just a pic I grabbed off of google. You guys aren't paying attention. I said I have an IBook. Also, I generally despise the attention my IBook brings, but frankly speaking, if a nice-looking K-girl asks me what kind of computer I'm using I'll make an exception.
And don't worry about winding me up, Longhorn. You did afterall once say you think Windows is more secure than Linux. That's a pretty damn revealing.
Kidding, Longhorn. Take it easy 'til first quarter 2006! |
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