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nzboy01



Joined: 02 May 2005
Location: yongin

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:05 am    Post subject: mixed children Reply with quote

I am of European descent, and my Korean wife is about to give birth to our first child.
We were wondering if anyone else has a mixed child in Korea. If so where do you educate your child, and how is it treated by it's Korean peers. Does a mixed child have a chance of a positive future in this country?
Thanks for any advice.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a bunch of threads regarding this topic, do a search and you'll find some interesting comments. Just ignore those from people who don't actually have children as they are just giving their preconceived perceptions based upon what they 'think' a mixed children might experience based upon their own usually negative experiences as ESL teachers.

My experience
Koreans have shown nothing but warmth and generosity towards my son and I'm sure if we were to stay in Korea he would have a bright future here. However I would never send my child to a Korean high school based upon my experiences working in them, not because he would be discriminated in any way (we had a half British/half Japanese Korean student last year who was hugely popular) but the education sucks and some teachers are viscious swine.

My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective.

Good luck!
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.

From what I've read on here before, the problems start when the kid goes to elementary school. Bullying, teasing, etc., are common but depends a lot on the kids and atmosphere.

I think you'll find that most foreigners choose to educate their children at an international school (which can be difficult to afford) or move back home.

No, I don't have kids yet, but I have followed a lot of these threads. They seem rather enjoyable to read.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
From what I've read on here before, the problems start when the kid goes to elementary school. Bullying, teasing, etc., are common but depends a lot on the kids and atmosphere.

From the experience of at least 7 people I know with mixed kids in the Korean education system this is wrong. All of these children (11 total) are well adjusted with few problems being accepted. NOt one of them is bullied or picked on. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but clearly it's not as prevelant as some people think.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.


I can give advice for the exact reason that I have had 19 months experience of raising a child in this country.

I also said this;

Quote:
My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.

And this is from someone who isn't even married or a parent.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
Quote:
Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.


I can give advice for the exact reason that I have had 19 months experience of raising a child in this country.

I also said this;

Quote:
My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective



My point is obvious: At just 19 months old, how much experience has your child had with public interaction, past birth and cheek squeezing?

I don't think one has to have a baby to ask that question.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
fidel wrote:
Quote:
Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.


I can give advice for the exact reason that I have had 19 months experience of raising a child in this country.

I also said this;

Quote:
My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective



My point is obvious: At just 19 months old, how much experience has your child had with public interaction, past birth and cheek squeezing?

I don't think one has to have a baby to ask that question.


Well Derrek, would you like to specify just how old our children have to be before we can reasonably give our opinions and personal experience on this thread? Mine is 25 months, so am I allowed to comment on the treatment of mixed children in this thread, or do I need to wait for another six months? Eight months? Do tell.
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nzboy01



Joined: 02 May 2005
Location: yongin

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fidel Wrote:
My experience
Koreans have shown nothing but warmth and generosity towards my son and I'm sure if we were to stay in Korea he would have a bright future here. However I would never send my child to a Korean high school based upon my experiences working in them, not because he would be discriminated in any way (we had a half British/half Japanese Korean student last year who was hugely popular) but the education sucks and some teachers are viscious swine.

My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective.

Good luck!
Thanks for the advice, it's reassuring.
Go the warriors.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
Derrek wrote:
fidel wrote:
Quote:
Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.


I can give advice for the exact reason that I have had 19 months experience of raising a child in this country.

I also said this;

Quote:
My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective



My point is obvious: At just 19 months old, how much experience has your child had with public interaction, past birth and cheek squeezing?

I don't think one has to have a baby to ask that question.


Well Derrek, would you like to specify just how old our children have to be before we can reasonably give our opinions and personal experience on this thread? Mine is 25 months, so am I allowed to comment on the treatment of mixed children in this thread, or do I need to wait for another six months? Eight months? Do tell.



After they've started to interact with Korean kids on a daily basis -- Kindy or elementary school, for example. Comments about life before that are interesting, but I'd venture a guess that most people concerned about said topic wonder how their kids will get along in school.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
I'd venture a guess that most people concerned about said topic wonder how their kids will get along in school.

Why exactly are you concerned about this topic? You've hijacked a thread for which you are zero percent qualified to talk on.

Time to return this thread to the topic it is about.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Corporal wrote:
Derrek wrote:
fidel wrote:
Quote:
Fidel, your information is valuable, but I have to say... how can you give much advice to someone and discredit other posters when your baby is only 19 months? Anyone from just about any country is thrilled to squeeze the cheeks of a cute baby.


I can give advice for the exact reason that I have had 19 months experience of raising a child in this country.

I also said this;

Quote:
My son's only 19 months old perhaps someone whose child is older might reply and give you a different perspective



My point is obvious: At just 19 months old, how much experience has your child had with public interaction, past birth and cheek squeezing?

I don't think one has to have a baby to ask that question.


Well Derrek, would you like to specify just how old our children have to be before we can reasonably give our opinions and personal experience on this thread? Mine is 25 months, so am I allowed to comment on the treatment of mixed children in this thread, or do I need to wait for another six months? Eight months? Do tell.



After they've started to interact with Korean kids on a daily basis -- Kindy or elementary school, for example. Comments about life before that are interesting, but I'd venture a guess that most people concerned about said topic wonder how their kids will get along in school.


Okay, then, mine has been going to daycare for half her life, so according to your standards I was entitled to voice an opinion on her socialization long before now.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son's in a playgroup and most surely interacts with Korean children everyday. At that age they haven't learnt any 'hate' from their parents. In fact their parents are just like parents from back home (NZ) and show no animosity towards my son just because he is not full blooded Korean.

Don't believe in what the bitter posters you come across in Daves say about parenthood in Korea unless they are parents themselves. If they aren't, then their (usually) negative opinions carry no weight.

I knew Derrick would jump in ass first but I'm surprised these posters haven't joined him

Rapier
Real Reality
Jajdude

Let's just ignore Derrick and leave him to his anecdotes about high school girls and their mothers.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was at a camp in Masan at a college in the summer, and one of the resident expats in the English Department put his two children in a Korean school. (he was also a paster at the college English Church). The kids loved it, but the parents freaked out when they would use Korean around the house. They decided that sending them to a Korean school based on that premise wasn't a good idea.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can tell you, things have changed alot since, say1997 or even 1999, the only mixed children you were able to see were the children whose parents worked at the bases.
During that time, if a Korean woman had a mixed child, it was like a scarlet letter on them (given rise to the korean term "�쳢 ���", which is more of an insult). The child barely saw the light of day for the simple fact that if anyone else saw the child, it would bring disgrace on the family. Alot of mothers wouldn't even keep them, just throw them in an orphanage or send them overseas

Also the child had no rights; couldn't be put on the registry, not allowed to go to school, and barred from getting insurance and even military service.

I know it also might be more tolerable in a big city like Seoul, but what about Wonju, Waegwan, Donducheon, and Pyongtaek?

To say that you are right and discounting everyone else is complete bolderdash. You have never met a Korean single mother who is raising a mixed child from a person who was here for a year and then left.

Thank about it...










enough said...
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