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schwa
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| Headline english uses simple present to report past actions. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I suggested the 'he is receiving a life sentence' as a possible present tense suggestion.. but she really wanted to know more about the 'he receives' and if its at all possible. |
For that sentence I think you would want to say "He is serving a life setence".
Here are a few examples for ya:
We will watch TV today to see the defendant receive his life sentence from the judge.
We are watching TV while the defendant receives his life sentence.
We watched TV while the defendant received his life sentence. |
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TECO
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger,
Interesting post.
As mentioned above, you often see present tense in newspaper headlines "Man Saves Child from..." even though it happened in the past.
Maybe a running commentary like, "He shoots - He scores!"
Speaking of esoteric grammar questions, tome of my students have asked me lately about the McDonalds, "I'm Loving It!" slogan. What are your thoughts on that? Unusual and unlikely but grammatically correct. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| TECO wrote: |
Tiger,
Interesting post.
As mentioned above, you often see present tense in newspaper headlines "Man Saves Child from..." even though it happened in the past.
Maybe a running commentary like, "He shoots - He scores!"
Speaking of esoteric grammar questions, tome of my students have asked me lately about the McDonalds, "I'm Loving It!" slogan. What are your thoughts on that? Unusual and unlikely but grammatically correct. |
Agree with the above.
I'm Loving It if they're eating at that moment. (present continous)
Another post mentioned will receive for future. That's not future (unless you learn English in Korean schools), it's a prediction. It could also be expressing certainty.
Be going to plus infinitive = future, not will. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Ok, if it were in a sentence like, "Should he receive a life sentence, the consequences would be unbearable."
And, I don't understand why you think that "I will have another beer," is not future tense.
Verbs in English are conjugated in Past, Present, Future and variants thereof. That's it. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| "receive" is correct for the third person present subjunctive, but needs to be preceded by "that" or "if" etc. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Can he receive a life sentence?
Yes, he can receive a life sentence, if the judge feels it is warrented.
Would he receive a life sentence? Only if he were sentenced to life. 
His Life in 20 seconds:
He is born on August 16, 1975.
He drops out of school in October of 1990.
He begins his career as a petty criminal.
He moves on to drug dealing, extortion and murder.
He is caught and convicted of multiple homicides.
He receives a life sentence.
His new cellmate Bobo, who is 350 pounds of loving man, helps him to "adapt to the ins and outs" of prison life.
Last edited by some waygug-in on Sun May 08, 2005 3:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Pyongshin Sangja
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Uh, yeah. Is this autobiographical? |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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doh- ya got me!   |
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Badmojo
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
Be going to plus infinitive = future, not will. |
I can't agree with you here.
Will is absolutely the future.
I will go home.
When? Not the past. I went home
Not now. I'm going home.
By elimination, it's got to be the future. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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For flogging a dead horse, he receives a death penalty.
Hopefully this thread will soon, also.  |
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gypsyfish
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
| gypsyfish wrote: |
Be going to plus infinitive = future, not will. |
I can't agree with you here.
Will is absolutely the future.
I will go home.
When? Not the past. I went home
Not now. I'm going home.
By elimination, it's got to be the future. |
I didn't express myself well. Will does refer to future time.
Another post said that He will receive the death penalty is future. In this case, it's a prediction. It could also be expressing certainty. But also future time.
Be going to or present continuous is used to talk about future actions and events that have something to do with present reality.
Will is used to give or ask for information about the future when present continuous or be going to isn't appropriate.
At some point in the discussion, I think, someone said that He will receive the death penalty could be used. My point is that it can't, unless it is a prediction or expressing certainty. I was trying also to point out, poorly, that will is taught as the only future structure in Korean schools, hence we have students saying things like I will drink soju with my friends, tonight when they are asked what their plans are.
Sorry for my poor explanation. Hell, I'm not sure this one is any better. |
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Badmojo
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I never bought this distinction between "going to" and "will".
They mean the same thing to me.
Some books say "going to" is 100% certainty, and "will" is probability or possibility, but I use them interchangeably all the time.
I'm happy if my students remember to use either one when speaking in the future. |
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matthewwoodford
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matthewwoodford
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