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inthewild
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 Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: NK vs US |
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There is even occasional talk of war on the Korean Peninsula. Flake said Wednesday if a war broke out, it would be very fierce and destructive and could start almost without prior warning. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the same day if North Korea invaded the South, we (the U.S.) would be victorious.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200505/200505040009.html
One of you that reads the news a ton, where else is Meyers quoted as saying this? Nothing came up in a search, I am curious. It seems to me like odd editing on the part of the Chosun Ilbo. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Myers said it on TV. (That's all I know.) |
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Gollum
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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The thing I'm curious about is if the US would even bother to tell South Korea or not until the bombers were over their targets.
I sure as hell wouldn't. You know as soon as someone lets anyone in SK know, there'd be 50 phone calls directly from SK to KJII warning him about it and begging for his forgiveness, and faulting the US side. |
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funplanet
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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They wouldn't even need to fly over SK territory, therefore no need to make the phonecall. I am sure Japan would be thrilled to let them leave from their bases there. Hell, the US is beefing up US Forces Japan as we speak...
the end is near, my friend...the end is near 
I got my spot picked out on my building's rooftop to watch the fireworks... |
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Daechidong Waygookin
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Does the US still have an arsenal of neutron bombs?
Would a strike on the North's artillery positions with a salvo of neutron warhead tipped missiles be effective? From what I know, and Im no expert, they have significantly less radiation fall out than conventional nukes and were designed so that an army could safely enter the area within hours of a strike. If the US was planning a move, they would need to take out those artillery positions qyuckly, and disable them. Neutron bombs destroy life and leave infrastructure pretty unharmed. |
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jajdude
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Why does NK get any attention? What are they ever gonna do?
ZIP>
I feel for those people. |
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funplanet
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Supposedly there is still a stash of neutron bombs...I forgot all about those, but yes....that would be a more reasonable way to go...kill the troops but save the infrastructure....
yep, most radiation would be dispersed in less than a day...why not lob several over P-yang? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Because P-yang is a city with civilians?
That's the dumbest comment I've seen today. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Because P-yang is a city with civilians?
That's the dumbest comment I've seen today. |
Not Pyeongyang, the DMZ. You need to get rid of the troops manning the artillery in a quick strike. Why not with neutron bombs? Because of the proximity to Seoul, you can use them because they wouldnt leave much radiation behind. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Right, the DMZ would actually make sense. I was referring to the other comment.
I don't suppose the rest of the million-man army would just chill and watch it happen, though. There's no clean military solution over here. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Right, the DMZ would actually make sense. I was referring to the other comment.
I don't suppose the rest of the million-man army would just chill and watch it happen, though. There's no clean military solution over here. |
Yeah, but take out the artillery and you take out a lot of the damage making capability of that army. Not counting the nukes, which they probably couldnt deliver anyway. Although no one knows for sure. They also have the missiles, but as we saw way back in the first gulf war, missiles like scuds can be brought down much esier than artillery shells. Im sure that capability has improved by leaps and bounds since then. They would need a massive strike on artilelry within reach of Seoul, then a second wave of strikes on targets within NK, and would need to mass anti missile defenses within SK, which Im sure is already in place. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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A couple of things:
a) Are you really sure you want to neutron bomb the DMZ and LEAVE the artillery in place? Wouldn't you have to also take out the million man army so reinforcements don't come in the day after tomorrow and start lobbing shells at Seoul?
Wouldn't it be better to destroy the artillery itself?
b) Whether or not the US used neutron bombs on the nuke factories, the fallout from the Nork nuke material would be blown into the atmosphere. Are you sure Japan wants that stuff dropping on them? They had a dose of it back in '45 and didn't like it much. Some of it would escape even if bunker buster bombs were used.
c) Has anyone bothered to check on what the Chinese would say and do if the US were to pull off a strike above the DMZ? Back in '50 they said they wouldn't intervene if the UN forces stayed south of the 38th, but would not tolerate anything north of that. And they were serious. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| a) Are you really sure you want to neutron bomb the DMZ and LEAVE the artillery in place? Wouldn't you have to also take out the million man army so reinforcements don't come in the day after tomorrow and start lobbing shells at Seoul? |
80% (?) of that million man army is near the DMZ. a large portion of it will be vaporized. No, In dont want to leave it in place. The neutron bomb strike is phase 1. Phase 2 is taking control of the artillery.
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| b) Whether or not the US used neutron bombs on the nuke factories, the fallout from the Nork nuke material would be blown into the atmosphere. Are you sure Japan wants that stuff dropping on them? They had a dose of it back in '45 and didn't like it much. Some of it would escape even if bunker buster bombs were used |
Striking Yongbyeon would be a big maistake for hat reason. Thats why I never proposed a direct strike on it.
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| c) Has anyone bothered to check on what the Chinese would say and do if the US were to pull off a strike above the DMZ? Back in '50 they said they wouldn't intervene if the UN forces stayed south of the 38th, but would not tolerate anything north of that. And they were serious. |
Thats the wildcard in all of this and whats preventing the US from striking NK. Maybe a deal? We give you taowan, you look the other way while be obliterate NK? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats the wildcard in all of this and whats preventing the US from striking NK. Maybe a deal? We give you taowan, you look the other way while be obliterate NK? |
I read an article the other day, but I can't remember where. The main point of it was that the Chinese are not really leaning on NK because the US hasn't made the kind of promises concerning Taiwan that it wants to hear.
No one outside of Beijing knows if there is any truth to that claim, but it's worth a thought. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Thats the wildcard in all of this and whats preventing the US from striking NK. Maybe a deal? We give you taowan, you look the other way while be obliterate NK? |
I read an article the other day, but I can't remember where. The main point of it was that the Chinese are not really leaning on NK because the US hasn't made the kind of promises concerning Taiwan that it wants to hear.
No one outside of Beijing knows if there is any truth to that claim, but it's worth a thought. |
Its ALL about Taiwan.
China is all powerful here, in terms of influence on NK. I dont buy some people saying that China's influence is limited. They are a blood brotherhood forged in the Korean War, they supply NK with 70% of its fuel and food. China could force NK back to the table, and even to denuclearize in a week. Just shut down the oil, seal the borders. KJI would cave in very, very quickly.
The NK crisis serves China. It keeps the US focused on NK and not on Taiwan. Keeping up a facade of being on the American side in the negotiations also allows China to push the envelope with Taiwan. The anti succession bill wouldnt have been passed of the US didnt need China in the NK crisis. China knows that.
Perhaps if the US did make some kind of promise in regards to Taiwan, you would see a real push from Beijing to denuclearize NK. |
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