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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Kyongju Hilton problem Reply with quote

Got an email from a friend of mine who just tried to have a nice weekend at the Kyongju Hilton hotel at Pomun lake. When you read this you will be shocked by the behaviour of the manager. This is a copy of the email he sent to Hilton's HQ

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We had dinner at the Silk Road Resturant and after dinner, the resturant manager approached us about practicing English with some other resturant patrons. When we declined his offer, he offered to pay us.

This was a special occasion for us (birthday dinner)and we were offended by the manager asking us to "work". We are English Professors at a University in Seoul and while we are happy to sponteneously talk to people in English, it is insulting to be offered a "job" at 9P on a Saturday night.

We would apperciate appropiate actions be taken as this type of actions is totally inappropiate at high quality establishment like yours.


I find this disgusting that a Korean would do this to a couple having dinner on Sat nite.

I won't go there based on this thats for sure
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peemil



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absurd.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Kyongju Hilton problem Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Got an email from a friend of mine who just tried to have a nice weekend at the Kyongju Hilton hotel at Pomun lake. When you read this you will be shocked by the behaviour of the manager. This is a copy of the email he sent to Hilton's HQ

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We had dinner at the Silk Road Resturant and after dinner, the resturant manager approached us about practicing English with some other resturant patrons. When we declined his offer, he offered to pay us.

This was a special occasion for us (birthday dinner)and we were offended by the manager asking us to "work". We are English Professors at a University in Seoul and while we are happy to sponteneously talk to people in English, it is insulting to be offered a "job" at 9P on a Saturday night.

We would apperciate appropiate actions be taken as this type of actions is totally inappropiate at high quality establishment like yours.


I find this disgusting that a Korean would do this to a couple having dinner on Sat nite.

I won't go there based on this thats for sure


How much was the dinner worth? Were they willing to throw in the room?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quirky and odd. Somewhat amusing. I don't understand why anyone would be offended by it.

Quite a few times my group has allowed strangers to join us in a restaurant/bar situation. I've had some fun evenings. It's happened at couple of times when we sent pieces of birthday cake around to the other tables and ended up in conversations. I've even been 'loaned out' by my Korean friends to tables of complete drunk strangers. If I'm drunk and they don't look like serial killers, I don't mind. My friends do ask me if it's OK before they do it and understand when I don't want to.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to have a nice quiet diner alone with your wife in a fancy restaurant, and get away from work, do you really think you want somebody to walk up to you and ask you to work. I don't think so. Especially since it was a special occasion.

The manager of the restaurant should have refused to even ask so of his customers to work. What he did was rude.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Kyongju Hilton problem Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Got an email from a friend of mine who just tried to have a nice weekend at the Kyongju Hilton hotel at Pomun lake. When you read this you will be shocked by the behaviour of the manager. This is a copy of the email he sent to Hilton's HQ

Quote:
We had dinner at the Silk Road Resturant and after dinner, the resturant manager approached us about practicing English with some other resturant patrons. When we declined his offer, he offered to pay us.

This was a special occasion for us (birthday dinner)and we were offended by the manager asking us to "work". We are English Professors at a University in Seoul and while we are happy to sponteneously talk to people in English, it is insulting to be offered a "job" at 9P on a Saturday night.

We would apperciate appropiate actions be taken as this type of actions is totally inappropiate at high quality establishment like yours.


I find this disgusting that a Korean would do this to a couple having dinner on Sat nite.

I won't go there based on this thats for sure


Drunk costomer in the shop. Stupid uneducated, in real terms, manager (all too often found in Korea). Let it go and let your business go elsewhere.
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uber1024



Joined: 28 Jul 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having been both an English teacher in Korea and a computer programmer in the United States, I always get requests for favors beacuse of my job when I'm not working.

It's not that big of a deal. It comes with having a specialized job that, in some small way, shows that you have knowledge/skills that other people want.
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tommynomad



Joined: 24 Jul 2004
Location: on the move

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is a big deal, though not "disgusting."

It's one thing to--as Ya-ta said--be open to having others join you or joining others. IMHO this is one of the best things about public eating. It is quite another for the manager of a restaurant to ask you to be his monkey. Especially at a Hilton (if it's a real Hilton we're talking about).

Would it be ok to ask a doctor for a check-up in a similar setting? How about asking an editor to read over the presentation you have to give the next day? Work is work, play is play. Asking someone to cross that line is boorish at best, unprofessional (& worthy of reprimand) at worst.
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steroidmaximus



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the manager's conduct was extremely unprofessional. If he's at the Hilton he should know better, or be replaced by someone who does.

but

desultude wrote:

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How much was the dinner worth? Were they willing to throw in the room?


that last bit is the burning question. Say: "For the price of my dinner and room, I'll do it". If the manager makes a fuss, you counter with the 'what the hell are you doing bothering me with such an inane request?' line
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tommynomad wrote:
.......

Would it be ok to ask a doctor for a check-up in a similar setting? How about asking an editor to read over the presentation you have to give the next day? Work is work, play is play......


"You're a comedian, tell us a joke!"

"Well you're a politician, tell us a lie."

(Bob Monkhouse)
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chiaa



Joined: 23 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I literally had to push a guy out of my store because he would not take no for an answer in me giving him free English lessons twice a week.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh boo-hoo, someone wanted to speak english to you, did politely but firmly saying "No" really affect your enjoyment of the meal that much?
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss James wrote:
oh boo-hoo, someone wanted to speak english to you, did politely but firmly saying "No" really affect your enjoyment of the meal that much?


Seriously.

Some folks will find a way to whine about anything, I guess....

Cool
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be dense...the OP said he's happily to spontaneously speak English with people.

It's quite another matter to be on a date and have to interrupt it so that other patrons can practice their English with someone that, for all the manager of the restaurant knew, may have been an Albanian couple with even worse English than the manager.

It's completely moronic.

(And I say this as someone who has been stopped by Koreans while on vacation so that I can help their kids with their English homework)
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the diners said "no" and that was the end of it- besides which, some people on this thread have said they would do it for the price of the dinner, or a night in the hotel or whatever, so it's not as though the manager was barking entirely up the wrong tree is it?
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