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[gmat]

Via www.thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com:

At a fur market in Hubei Province of China, Chinese are skinning animals(either fox or raccoon) alive. The workers there described the quality of fur is better when the fur is stripped while the animal is alive. It is not a pretty scene to watch. Play the video at your discretion. http://mplay.donga.com/dkbnews/2005/02/fur.wmv


It really is unbelievable

edit: I just realised that it is 16 min long, I would advise animal lovers to skip this, it is VERY disturbing.
edit 2 fix link to blog.

[travel zen]

Brutal.

Reminds me of an execution.

Watch the video....if you can.

[red dog]

[Daechidong Waygookin]

[Grotto]

Who is worse? DW is worse by a long shot.
There are thousands of people he has not condemned and yet no one hounds him!

DW likes to beat dead horses...and continue beating them...and chasing them from board to board and post to post.

DW needs psychiatric help.

[dogbert]

You want to see "apologism", check out how different the responses are on the China board the OP posted this to.

[Badmojo]

I couldn't watch it all. I got to the part about four minutes in when they were ripping the fur off of the writhing animal. That was enough.

Maybe life is too good for the Westerners, you know? We're so far away from the animal mentality, from the jungle, where things are either killing or being killed. We go to the supermarket, buy our meat, without even thinking twice it was an animal. A buddy of mine worked at an abattoir and he's a vegetarian now. I wonder how many other people would follow that path or wear fur if they had to watch the animal die.

It's going on in another thread right now, DW vs. Big Bird. I think they're both right. If Big Bird thinks eating animals is wrong, so be it. Live your life. And if DW wants to eat meat, go ahead. I eat meat too and I don't apologize for eating.

Anyway this fur topic is way over the line. Note to self: don't buy Chinese fur products. And it's probably best not to buy any fur products at all.

[Freezer Burn]

The chinese respect for anything is unbelievable, I lived in China for a year and it was a real experience.
its not just animals that are treated this way, we had baby milk powder companys selling milk that had no nutrients in it at all, selling to poorer villagers making there babies heads swell up like they had gigantisism (sp) their are synticates that kidnap children and deform them purposly either burning them or lopping of a limb just so they look more hopeless and maybe tug the hearts of generous passer by's.
There are either rumors going around, (valid or not) to round up all the homeless in Beijing and "get rid of them" in time for the olympics.
Construction and miners work without safety equipment and get paid about $15 US a month.
These are really comman practise's, so skinning the fur of animals while they are still alive is probably a good past time for them.
We may eat meat but that is a survival thing and we try to keep our animals that we eat in the best condition possible untill its time for them to go to the great grass paddock in the sky, what we don't do is tourture and brutalise our animals in the name of fashion and coulture.

[Rock]

Yeah, I digged what dogbert had said about the OP getting the cold shoulder on the China board. Everything-life to death-in China is excused in the name of humanism, or mass population trying to survive. This, to me, is their great excuse. Sometimes foreigners join the bandwagon, and presto, you have a new species, compassionateless and cruel.

[red dog]

Good point, people often victimize others (human or nonhuman) when they see an opportunity. I don't really want to get into a debate about practices in the West vs. China or anywhere else, but I have to disagree with this part of what you said:

[Freezer Burn]

Im fom New Zealand originally, and although it is not a haven for animals and the final result is that they are killed, we keep our animals in the best possible environments up untill they are harvested (crude term but its the truth they are harvested).
We have strict laws for farmers with livestock and we are humane as a country to begin with.
I know how other countries treat their livestock and that is not the way we do it in kiwiland

[red dog]

Well, I don't have a lot of information on New Zealand and the regulations there may be better than in many other countries, but apparently there are still some problems:

http://www.tearaway.co.nz/Article.aspx?PostingID=4249

[soviet_man]

The "Fur" issue is not a moral issue - it is a economic issue.

If people are profiteering off animal Fur, there will be more motivation in the market to increase production - and more people will foolishly try to enter that market to meet *perceived* demand.

Whilst I accept that people are entitled to use animal fur for essential clothing - the problem here is that most of the fur is being being sold off purely for profit to wealthy tourists. These are the sort of people who already have easy access to other clothes and don't need fur at all.

[Daechidong Waygookin]

[gmat]

Soviet man: Although I am sure some of the fur ends up in Western markets, there is a huge market for fur coats in China.

I have seen more women in fur coats in Dalian, China than I ever saw in North America.

The issue here is the cruelty. The Chinese who do this purposely keep the animal alive while skinning because they think the fur is going to be higher quality than if they quickly kill the animal then skin it promptly . There is no scientific justification for this. There is no need for such barbaric behavior.