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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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I then dragged him by the ear to every class and made him tell every single student and Korean teacher in the hagwon"Hi my name is Kevin and I am stupid." Kids laughing at him...he was utterly humiliated...thank god his irrate mother pulled him out of the hagwon....less headache for me (well, minus a ticked off boss)
Normaly I don't lose control but telling a teacher to "puck off" when your twelve-years old is utterly disrespectful and deserves every brand of humiliation coming to him/her. |
You know who else deserves every brand of humiliation...anyone who utter 'teach' or 'teacher' and 'I' in any sentence and does something like this.
I can't believe that there are people who call themselves teachers or what they do teaching and would do something like this. If you can't control yourself or your students...and can't take verbal hits from your students...you shouldn't be in the classroom.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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If I was ever struck by a student(purposely) I would have marched the brat to the directors/owners office and told them brat child would not be allowed in my class until I got an apology from the parents.
Makes you wonder where a kid thinks it can get away with hitting an adult. |
Since I'm ready to change jobs anyways I think this is what I'll do the next time it happens to me. The boss proves time and time again he does not give a shit how we're treated by the kids, so long as their parents keep paying. I'm also very tempted to call a few parents with a bilingual Korean friend. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I then dragged him by the ear to every class and made him tell every single student and Korean teacher in the hagwon"Hi my name is Kevin and I am stupid." Kids laughing at him...he was utterly humiliated...thank god his irrate mother pulled him out of the hagwon....less headache for me (well, minus a ticked off boss)
Normaly I don't lose control but telling a teacher to "puck off" when your twelve-years old is utterly disrespectful and deserves every brand of humiliation coming to him/her. |
You know who else deserves every brand of humiliation...anyone who utter 'teach' or 'teacher' and 'I' in any sentence and does something like this.
I can't believe that their are people who call themselves teachers or what they do teaching and would do something like this. If you can't control yourself or your students...and can't take verbal hits from your students...you shouldn't be in the classroom. |
I really don't blame her for doing this. In a system where you get zero support from managment, there's no contact with the parents, and the boss doesn't care, do what you need to do so that the other ten kids can learn. In any sane country the parents would be contacted immediately and the kid would have to apologise. The fact they'll never do something like this shows that the really don't give a damn about how the kids turn out. Learning that when you hit or swear at an adult you get utterly humiliated isn't such a bad lesson, especially in Korea where most people in education are only interested in face and defrauding people of money for services not rendered. |
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pollyplummer
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: slap him |
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I would have slapped him across the face, hard enough to sting but not hard enough to leave a mark. Then I would have gotten fired. Then I'd find a new job.  |
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agraham
Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: slap him |
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| I would have slapped him across the face, hard enough to sting but not hard enough to leave a mark. Then I would have gotten fired. Then I'd find a new job. |
More than likely you'd be cooling your heels in jail until your deportation paperwork was in order.
Abusing students is against the law. Just because it isn't applied against Korean teachers doesn't mean it won't be applied against you. |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| do what you need to do so that the other ten kids can learn |
There is no need to humiliate a child.. ever... in the classroom. No self-respecting teacher would ever do that to a child.
Anyone who does do it doesn't deserve to be called a teacher. Some 12 year old flips you off...throw him out. Refuse to teach the student until you get an apology. But to submit a child to such an experience is first of all useless as a method of classroom management and secondly...just cruel. It was done so the person in the charge of the classroom could feel better about themselves...so they could feel superior.
I have had classes completely out of control...but if I couldn't get them back under my control using without resorting to violence or humiliation...then I just admitted defeat and tried again another day. And there were days when I couldn't and it took a long time to get them under control again. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I said "hadgimayo". Then when I was opening the door for another student he whacked me again. I turned around and caught his arm as he was going for a third whack. I twisted it genlty but with force around his back and made him sit down. |
That could be one of your big problems right there. Using the honorific to a child who is acting up is unheard of. You'll never hear a Korean adult say that to a child.
HADGIMA!! |
Squat Toilet is right, but even better yet, don't speak Korean to them at all when you're trying to discipline them. Unless you're fluent, and I mean fluent you'll only sound even more like a clown to them. Tell them "Stop it!" in English, or whatever short phrase you've been using. They'll get the message.
If they don't, and you need to explain, you'd better get an interpreter. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited
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This is why I don't work with children....I know I'm not a good teacher with them as I lose patience with them. I would never lay a hand on a child of course but I knew I had to withdrawal before I did lose control.(so many times I did want to slap a couple but never did). I know I'm not cut out to work with kids...I work well with adults though. There are some great kids I met but I just can't handle the ones who are utterly disrespectful and felt that embarrasing them a little infront of their peers because of their bad behavior is much better than slapping them or giving them to the director, who just gave them candy and apologized for being kicked out by that "bad foreign teacher."
I've had kids kick and punch me (and not playing) They are twelve years old and should not have me coddle them...so yes, I think embarrassing them in front of their friends and setting them as a bad example is much better than pleading with a kid to stop their behavior or talking to the director who was completely useless in these issues. |
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JacktheCat
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The closest I have ever come to actually hitting a kid was back in my days at a Korean hackwon.
Out of the blue, the little bugger (12 years old) spit in my face and called me a nimi shipbol nom.
Summoning all my willpower, I walked out of the classroom and took a couple of very deep breaths. Then walked back in and verbally dressed the kid down and threw him out of the class.
At the end of the class, I asked him to apologize and promise to never do that again. All I got in respose was a middle finger and "puck you," followed by laughter.
Next class, again he refused to apologize, so I kicked him for the entire period. At end of the day, I told the wonjongnim I wasn't going to allow him back into my class until he apologized to me. This resulted in the wonjong getting pissed at me and shouting the usual BS. But I put my foot down and refused to teach him till he apologized to me. Result, the student was transferred to another teacher's class, and he never did apologize to me. |
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pollyplummer
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| If any 12 year old child hit me in the face, they'd be getting corporal punishment. I wouldn't hesitate to slap them. Maybe it's a good thing I dont work with kids. I'd probably have been deported by now ;o) |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| do what you need to do so that the other ten kids can learn |
There is no need to humiliate a child.. ever... in the classroom. No self-respecting teacher would ever do that to a child.
Anyone who does do it doesn't deserve to be called a teacher. Some 12 year old flips you off...throw him out. Refuse to teach the student until you get an apology. But to submit a child to such an experience is first of all useless as a method of classroom management and secondly...just cruel. It was done so the person in the charge of the classroom could feel better about themselves...so they could feel superior.
I have had classes completely out of control...but if I couldn't get them back under my control using without resorting to violence or humiliation...then I just admitted defeat and tried again another day. And there were days when I couldn't and it took a long time to get them under control again. |
Which is why I plan to quit my hogwan job. At any rate, I agree with the not using violence part, but as for humiliation - taking an insolent little shit to an older class and making him feel like a little shit would be a great thing to do in the case of a kid who hit you. In any self-respecting institution he'd be expelled, but most Korean hogwan directors are such greedy a-holes who'll never tell the parents the truth that that's all you can do. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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This is why I don't work with children....I know I'm not a good teacher with them as I lose patience with them. I would never lay a hand on a child of course but I knew I had to withdrawal before I did lose control.(so many times I did want to slap a couple but never did). I know I'm not cut out to work with kids...I work well with adults though. There are some great kids I met but I just can't handle the ones who are utterly disrespectful and felt that embarrasing them a little infront of their peers because of their bad behavior is much better than slapping them or giving them to the director, who just gave them candy and apologized for being kicked out by that "bad foreign teacher."
I've had kids kick and punch me (and not playing) They are twelve years old and should not have me coddle them...so yes, I think embarrassing them in front of their friends and setting them as a bad example is much better than pleading with a kid to stop their behavior or talking to the director who was completely useless in these issues. |
If a 12-year-old boy hit a female teacher in the face I think she'd be quite entitled to drill him one as hard as she could and call it self-defence. He might as well learn in his early adolesence that there are some things you just don't do ... unless you're in Korea where a drunken ajosshi can slap his wife around to the complete indifference of bystanders. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:17 am Post subject: |
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The closest I have ever come to actually hitting a kid was back in my days at a Korean hackwon.
Out of the blue, the little bugger (12 years old) spit in my face and called me a nimi shipbol nom.
Summoning all my willpower, I walked out of the classroom and took a couple of very deep breaths. Then walked back in and verbally dressed the kid down and threw him out of the class.
At the end of the class, I asked him to apologize and promise to never do that again. All I got in respose was a middle finger and "puck you," followed by laughter.
Next class, again he refused to apologize, so I kicked him for the entire period. At end of the day, I told the wonjongnim I wasn't going to allow him back into my class until he apologized to me. This resulted in the wonjong getting pissed at me and shouting the usual BS. But I put my foot down and refused to teach him till he apologized to me. Result, the student was transferred to another teacher's class, and he never did apologize to me. |
You should have told your boss after the first time. If a student swears at me I always tell the boss. Right after the class if I can. Letting it carry over always weakens your position. |
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Tiny_Tibbo
Joined: 21 Apr 2005
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well, my kids have no shame at all....and its such a delicate age....they're only 3-5.....i'm at a loss at how to control them....but fortunately my biggest hitter (who thinks hitting is still a game at his age) stopped after he saw the look on my face when he knocked the wind out of me and now when he gets the urge to reach out and touch me he kisses me right away. and thats only happened a two times since......i'm still in shock......however none of the teachers care to help stop the mob of kids who think i'm a towel to dry their hands on.... 
However I have made a "cookie monster" for monday that will eat their classes candies and stickers throughout the week when they decided to be little monsters.....i'm crossin my fingers...
Anyone know how to stop 3-5 year olds from hittin, spitting out right ignoring?? |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:40 am Post subject: |
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well, my kids have no shame at all....and its such a delicate age....they're only 3-5.....i'm at a loss at how to control them....but fortunately my biggest hitter (who thinks hitting is still a game at his age) stopped after he saw the look on my face when he knocked the wind out of me and now when he gets the urge to reach out and touch me he kisses me right away. and thats only happened a two times since......i'm still in shock......however none of the teachers care to help stop the mob of kids who think i'm a towel to dry their hands on....
However I have made a "cookie monster" for monday that will eat their classes candies and stickers throughout the week when they decided to be little monsters.....i'm crossin my fingers...
Anyone know how to stop 3-5 year olds from hittin, spitting out right ignoring?? |
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