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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Canada has British spelling. grew up on 'favourite and colour' as opposed to the American favorite and color.
For some years here, since I grew up on the British spellings, I'd write those on the whiteboard. But gradually, naturally, gave way to the American spellings.
If push came to shove, and Angelina Jolie were advocating the British spelling slowly pronoucing the difference with her wonderful lips, the British Empire could reassert its elegant spellings. Come on over, Angelina! |
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funplanet

Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Location: The new Bucheon!
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I teach my students both British and American spellings and grammar, such as "my family is..." or "my family are..,"
I don't understand why you were so shocked...if you had done your homework you would have known that Koreans prefer American English
and I resent any implication (Bum-suk) that Americans are unable to understand there may be two ways of doing things...we are not all as stupid as you may believe |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
I teach my students both British and American spellings and grammar, such as "my family is..." or "my family are..,"
I don't understand why you were so shocked...if you had done your homework you would have known that Koreans prefer American English
and I resent any implication (Bum-suk) that Americans are unable to understand there may be two ways of doing things...we are not all as stupid as you may believe |
Not all of you - in fact the 20% who own passports and end up in places like Korea (GIs excepted, of course) tend, in my experience, to be more polite and intelligent than the other nationalities; Canadian, Aussie, and especially Kiwi yobs end up travelling to a lot of places that American trailor trash wouldn't even know of. It's the 80% back home I was referring to.
Actually I do the same thing you do - try to teach both: 'America that way ... everywhere else this way...' Some of our books have feet and pounds and stuff and the kids are impressed that I can do metric conversions at the snap of a finger. There are some advantages to growing up in a place where it's officially metric but everyone uses imperial. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
I teach my students both British and American spellings and grammar, such as "my family is..." or "my family are..,"
I don't understand why you were so shocked...if you had done your homework you would have known that Koreans prefer American English
and I resent any implication (Bum-suk) that Americans are unable to understand there may be two ways of doing things...we are not all as stupid as you may believe |
This reminded me of a time while travelling through new zealand with an american girl. I had rented a car and we had pulled into a campground. While registering the campground manager wanted the lisence plate to my car. So I looked out the window and relayed the info for the american girl to write down. I said ******"zed". and she wroted down ******"zed". I looked at it and said no "zed"
She said, yeah "zed"
No, "ZED"
Yeah "ZED
NO, ZZEEDD
Yeah, Z. E. D. zed
finally I said "ZEE"
Why didn't you say so in the first place?
I did. I said "ZED"
Anyways that made her pretty pissed off and she stopped travelling with me the next day. I flet kind of good after that. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ulsanchris wrote: |
| funplanet wrote: |
I teach my students both British and American spellings and grammar, such as "my family is..." or "my family are..,"
I don't understand why you were so shocked...if you had done your homework you would have known that Koreans prefer American English
and I resent any implication (Bum-suk) that Americans are unable to understand there may be two ways of doing things...we are not all as stupid as you may believe |
This reminded me of a time while travelling through new zealand with an american girl. I had rented a car and we had pulled into a campground. While registering the campground manager wanted the lisence plate to my car. So I looked out the window and relayed the info for the american girl to write down. I said ******"zed". and she wroted down ******"zed". I looked at it and said no "zed"
She said, yeah "zed"
No, "ZED"
Yeah "ZED
NO, ZZEEDD
Yeah, Z. E. D. zed
finally I said "ZEE"
Why didn't you say so in the first place?
I did. I said "ZED"
Anyways that made her pretty pissed off and she stopped travelling with me the next day. I flet kind of good after that. |
Zed really seems to confuse our kids, as all the FTs use it and all the KTs say Zee. I'm the only foreigner who pronounces 'tomato' and 'zebra' with a long A and E and it seems my students are only starting to pick up the habit after years of having teachers from other parts of the Commonwealth. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Zed really seems to confuse our kids, as all the FTs use it and all the KTs say Zee. I'm the only foreigner who pronounces 'tomato' and 'zebra' with a long A and E and it seems my students are only starting to pick up the habit after years of having teachers from other parts of the Commonwealth. |
I say zebra with a long e too and that seems to confuse people. I ever had people telling me it was the wrong pronunciation! HUH, the cheek of some folks! |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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I worked with an American here who was absolutely astounded that the rest of the English-speaking world use words like "boot" instead of "trunk" and "bonnet" instead of "hood". Fancy that...
I refuse to cave and teach this new-fangled simplified variety of English. To me it is ugly and lazy and is extremely inelegant, and I am constantly pleased that some of my students are gradually changing their pronunciation to the correct style . No more of this saying "warderr" instead of "water"...
P.S. And "airplane" is one of the ugliest words that I have seen. Aeroplane is much more elegant and rolls off the tongue so smoothly  |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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As an add on to my above post
The american girl had never heard of zed.
She was angry that I knew both and only used the one and made her look like an idiot. She thought I did it purposely. In my defence i never thought it possible for a person to not know both. especially since she had been travelling around Australia and NZ for a few months. |
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funplanet

Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Location: The new Bucheon!
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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There is a good book out about American redneck English and lifestyles which were imported from the UK back in the old days...much of the black/redneck pronunciations, such as ask being "aks" etc come from England, as well as the trailer trash lifestyle (chavs?)...
I will try to find the name/author of the book |
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JacktheCat

Joined: 08 May 2004
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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I grew up in an American family in Africa and attended British "public" schools there and am fluent in three Englishes and familiar with two others.
When I lived in China they wanted to learn British English, so I taught British English.
Here in Korea they want American English, so I teach my students American English.
The market gets what the market wants. I am paid to provide a service, teaching whatever English skills they want or need, not push my ideas of langauge superiority on my students.
There is nothing inheritantly superior about any of the many Englishes around the world (British, American, Indian, Ebonics, whatever). The goal is communication and for that purpose any of them work just fine.
For the higher level students with an interest, I'll point out the pronunciation differences (American soft "t", British hard "C") and grammar (use of parentheses) and cultural differences (eraser vs rubber). But most of them could care less, they just want to know what is the American way. |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I love telling my students that Canadians follow the British spelling of most words (not aeroplane - that's just crazy!). Programme, centre, colour, and so on. Americans are pretty much the only ones who use the different spelling. They also are the only ones not to use the metric system. Instead we get inches, feet, yards, Farenheit(sp?), miles, pounds(lbs), ... I still struggle with the conversion of Farenheit into Celcius. [(F-30)/2=C] works well until you get under 30F...
Actually, I use "Pronunciation Games", a book full of quite good pronunciation activities, which was published in the UK and uses British words (like 'lift' - elevator, 'flat' - apartment, and yes, 'aeroplane'). I enjoy teaching the differences in English. Two words' pronunciations that always screw me is the British/Aussie pronunciations of 'garage' (pronounced like 'carriage') and 'buoy' (pronounced like 'boy')... |
Another way to say the part I enlarged would be. America is the only place they still use THE ENGLISH SYSTEM.
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Another way to say the part I enlarged would be. America is the only place they still use THE ENGLISH SYSTEM.
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Except the English have now changed to the metric system too!  |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand why you were so shocked...if you had done your homework you would have known that Koreans prefer American English
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Sigh. If you were one of my students, funplanet, I'd give you a D- for reading comprehension. If you read the post again, it should become clear to you that the discussion is about Koreans being shocked. Any surprise on my part wasn't that Koreans preferred American English. Rather that even senior university students and EVEN some teachers were quite unaware that there was another spelling variety. I was also a little surprised that American graduates of English Literature were unaware of some the differences. Though not that surprised, of course...
But even the title of the thread gives it away:
"The shock brought on by AEROPLANES and THEATRES! "
If the discussion were about I being shocked, the title might have been: "The shock brought on by AIRPLANES and THEATERS! "
Ne c'est pas?
Secondly, I was aware that Koreans preferred American English; however, the University requested that each native speaker used his/her own spelling system. My first duty was to teach at the children�s camp they held every winter. I asked for clarification, and was again told �No, please don�t use American spelling, unless you are American. Teachers should use the system employed in their own country.� The University had a policy of exposing their students to international English. However, this clearly came as a big surprise to the kiddies.
I'm quite happy to teach the American spelling if that's what I'm asked to do. I'd quite happily teach Indian or Nigerian English, if I were getting paid to do so! |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I use the section of Swan, Practical English Usage, that covers comparisons between American and British usage. It's pretty comprehensive on the basics. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
| I use the section of Swan, Practical English Usage, that covers comparisons between American and British usage. It's pretty comprehensive on the basics. |
Ah yes, I own a copy myself. Wonderful reference book.
BTW, I love your signature:
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| "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." |
So bloody true! |
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