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In your University do you have Students or Customers?
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In your University are you Teaching Students or Pleasing Customers?
Teaching Students
38%
 38%  [ 10 ]
Pleasing Customers
23%
 23%  [ 6 ]
Both
38%
 38%  [ 10 ]
Total Votes : 26

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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My answer to the poll is "Both" because I think that teaching students means pleasing customers. I know that's my attitude as a student when I take Korean classes. If I think that the teacher is not using good communicative activities and preparing lessons that are appropriate for myself and the other students, then I get upset, possibly demotivated, and I'm likely to write a negative evaluation.

Also, I know that U.S. universities also have a very consumer atmosphere, but again I think that is appropriate. If you're paying $30,000 or whatever per year to go to blahblah State University, then you want to get your money's worth and that means that you want to receive a good education. If the professors do not provide good instruction and are not attentive to the needs of the students, then the consumers (i.e.,
students) are not receiving value for their money and will be displeased.

If you are complaining about your students' consumer attitude, then you may want to at least think about whether or not you are providing them with educational value for the money that they are paying.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: I agree with you, but Reply with quote

prosodic wrote:
My answer to the poll is "Both" because I think that teaching students means pleasing customers. I know that's my attitude as a student when I take Korean classes. If I think that the teacher is not using good communicative activities and preparing lessons that are appropriate for myself and the other students, then I get upset, possibly demotivated, and I'm likely to write a negative evaluation.

Also, I know that U.S. universities also have a very consumer atmosphere, but again I think that is appropriate. If you're paying $30,000 or whatever per year to go to blahblah State University, then you want to get your money's worth and that means that you want to receive a good education. If the professors do not provide good instruction and are not attentive to the needs of the students, then the consumers (i.e.,
students) are not receiving value for their money and will be displeased.

If you are complaining about your students' consumer attitude, then you may want to at least think about whether or not you are providing them with educational value for the money that they are paying.



I totally agree and I am not sure who was complaining, however a consumer may want to be pampered and entertained. I mean, if they are in required English classes they may not be motivated to learn and simply want to get through the class. I think there are variables that does make a more negative point of having a consumer attitude. I think part of the consumeristic attitude might be one of being the passive learner where the impetus is solely on the teacher to impart knowledge while the student will not actively participate or study and yet somehow expect the miracle of havng gained knoweldge and a good grade.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: I agree with you, but Reply with quote

MASH4077 wrote:
I mean, if they are in required English classes they may not be motivated to learn and simply want to get through the class. I think there are variables that does make a more negative point of having a consumer attitude. I think part of the consumeristic attitude might be one of being the passive learner where the impetus is solely on the teacher to impart knowledge while the student will not actively participate or study and yet somehow expect the miracle of havng gained knoweldge and a good grade.


I've taught required classes in the U.S. and the same is true for a percentage of students there. Also, the job of a teacher is to create motivation for the subject.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have to fail students in each class at my school.

if we don't fail at least 2-5% then we may not get our raise.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
we have to fail students in each class at my school.

if we don't fail at least 2-5% then we may not get our raise.


I think I would do well at your university.
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