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andrew
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Mr. Literal
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Location: Third rock from the Sun.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Free speech carries responsibilities... |
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| andrew wrote: |
| Use the gift of free speech wisely. |
Good point, and great advice.
Using logic would be nice, too. |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Free speech carries responsibilities... |
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| andrew wrote: |
it any wonder that many Western teachers are thought of in such a low manner by Koreans?
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Like that isn't a troll begging for someone to yell "AJOSHIIII!!!!"
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I had an interview today and it wasn't the first time I was told that this site is considered the most negative overall of ESL boards.
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Why were you talking to an interviewer about Dave's? Not that there isn't reason to...just curious...
While overall I do agree with some of what you said (or at least the point of it), you need to look at the purpose (whether intended or not) of the Korean boards. People come here for a variety of reasons not just answers to specific questions. It is a community where people come to "blow off steam". It is a place where people come to talk to people having similar experiences. It is a place where people come for support and where people come to nudge their "little brothers".
If the only reason people came here was to give civilized answers then this board would hardly give "Dave" the revenue he receives from it. Because the hit counts would be significantly lower.
If Koreans opinions of ESLers are shaped by this board then so be it. Mind you I have always been treated super in Korea so if they were judging me by this board I would like to thank everyone for the great job they are doing. Mind you, I would suggest the only time Koreans are shaped by this board is when someone already has their back up in the air and uses the media to hype what is said.
Do you think Koreans don't rant about other people? Where is the board that has a group of black workers blantently slamming Koreans? It should exist because Koreans sure have a hard-on hate for n-*beep*.
Having had full-blooded Japanese "in-laws" for 7 years I had an opportunity to get a good view on how they view people that aren't part of their club. Koreans can be the same. (as are most other cultures except each can express it differently)
And by the way, I have rarely saw a question go unanswered on this board. Sure it may deteriorate afterwards, but the person has their answer. If you are suggesting people can't get an answer to a problem here I suggest you are quite wrong. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I agree about not being childish of course.
Being negative? The world and Korea is full of negatives. That's life.
It would be weird to not discuss the negatives about living in Korea on the Korean Discussion Forum. Just as it would be weird to not mention the positives of living in Korea. Of which there are many. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well said, Turtle.
I think Andrew is advising 'turn the other cheek', and tolerance of a christian nature. Which would be fine if this board was comprised of people all in agreement to be temperate.
In fact the anonymity allows people to antagonize deliberately, troll. If a poster begins here they, over time, become accustomed to being trolled and to turn the other cheek would be to stop posting. The aggressive troll having 'won out'.
In other words it's a bullpen. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Free speech carries responsibilities... |
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| andrew wrote: |
this site is considered the most negative overall of ESL boards.
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Obviously things do get a bit schoolyard on here sometimes, but whilst I've seen a few that are much worse, there are no boards I know of that are more polite/censored than Dave's. |
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sillywilly
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Canada.
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| I don't get why people think they have to be obnoxious to get their ideas across. Theres always a tactful way to convey even a negative opinion. But it can be hard to swallow one's pride in the face of trolls. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't it be fun to chat with a bunch of Pollyannas and Yes men.
Imagine how it would be if everyone was so nice and agreed with each other.
Yes, Big Bird. You're so right. That's so true. Oh, I fully agree. Yes I know exactly what you mean. Yes I know exactly how you feel. Yes, that's exactly what I would say. Oh Big Bird, that's just what I was going to say! Wow, Big Bird, you really hit the nail on the head there! You know, Big Bird, that's exactly what I would have done. How right you are, Big Bird. I have to say, I'm in full agreement with you Big Bird. I couldn't have put it better myself. In fact Big Bird, I was just thinking the same. How true. That's exactly it, Big Bird. What an agreable Bird you are Big Bird. Zzzzzzzzzzzz...
This place would be bloody boring without trolls. |
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andrew
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| andrew wrote: |
| I didn't mean that one should never get angry, just that we should be more civil to each other on the boards. It doesn't mean sickly sweetness or not telling people how you feel - it just means doing it in a kinder way to each other. Basically, respecting each poster's opinions, unpopular though they may be, and not responding in a trolling way. If you still need to troll, PM someone. |
So is that why you PM'ed me and asked me how much I drink every night?
You were trolling? Glad we've cleared that up. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Some people also need to learn not to be so easily offended. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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actually, "free speech carries responsibilities" is one of the many empty BS lines ive heard here and in person, usually followed by a strong whiff of patchouli.
What the hell does that mean? Give me a freaking break.
Actually, free speech....just speech, does NOT carry any responsibilities. Not one. It carries consequences.
Who was the douchebag that started the whole trend in the west of people having a right to never being offended? That is not a right, its a choice. It's not your right to trump what other people have to say. It is not your right to censor what some say because it's negative, or 'mean' or makes you feel bad about yourself. Who are the dorks that follow this? It's what leads to the continuation of this PC leviathan overtaking the west, where feelings are more important than truth, and being 'nice' is more important than freedom.
Read about the undereporting of Muslim related crime in Europe and the other cheek they are turning in the name of 'feelings, responsibilties, and respect'....freedom of speech, especially the negative kind is paramount to a good and free society. |
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andrew
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| andrew wrote: |
(1) Also incredible that after 10 months, someone can't handle a little criticism in a PM, not a message on the forum...
(2) Yes, free speech does have responsibilities, so I'll take on some responsibility and say that I am not a troll, I am a livng and thinking human being who finds the high amount of extreme negative sarcasm, rudeness and personal attacks on others on this board to be horrid. If you want to use your free speech to do things in the negative instead of trying to do some good in the world, I can't stop that. But it sure is childish.
I have noticed when certain posters come on the board there seems to be almost instant negative crud thrown. (3) And this kind of thing accompanies hard drinking, drug use and a general negative attitude toward their families and home countries. Korea can depress you if you let it, and I think this is what happens.
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(numbers are mine)
1. I would say that's it's even more incredible that people take an Internet discussion board so seriously.
2. When you make personal attacks on others, while calling for an end to personal attacks it tends to detract from your credibility.
3. How exactly do you know this? |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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