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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: students of mixed abilities Reply with quote

I work in a public elementary school, and unfortunately kids of great ability are thrown in with kids of limited ability. In my 6th grade class this is especially a problem. The dichotomy between the best 5 kids, and the least able 5 kids is massive. The bottom 5 kids cannot read English, but the top 5 can link complex sentences together, and read very well. I know this is a common problem in public elementary schools, but how do you deal with it? I am currently meeting the bottom 5 students once a week in my office for 10/15 minutes just reviewing what they learnt previously. Even with this effort (my idea) I still feel it won't be anywhere near enough to bridge the gap. Suggestions?
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont worry about it.
You cant solve their problems with 10 minutes of extra time.

Some children have the: aptitude/ambition/ability/opportunity to learn English. Some children do not.

Kudos for trying but the reality is that they have slipped through the Korean school system which does little to ensure that their students actually learned anything in their time there.

It is the one thing that bothers me about the Canadian and Korean school systems. The passing people along regardless of their abililty because some psychologist decided that it is harmful to their psyches to be held back(thats the Canadian system)
The Korean system is that if a student is failed it is the fault of the school/teacher for not doing a good enough job, which causes loss of face for the family(failed child) and the school/MOE/teachers.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teach to the middle.

That's all you can do in a class of 30-40 students that you only see for less than an hour once a week.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: students of mixed abilities Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:
I am currently meeting the bottom 5 students once a week in my office for 10/15 minutes just reviewing what they learnt previously.


Why not meet with the top 5 students for extra work? They are the ones who seem to like learning English and can get the most out of their time with you! I think the real tragedy is to let the TOP students fall through the cracks by dumbing down your classes.
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Billy Pilgrim



Joined: 08 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I have mixed levels - which is pretty much always - I tend to lean on pattern sentences with additional vocabulary that can be dropped into the sentence to help verbalize their thoughts in English.

Better students appreciate the new vocabulary - a word is a word, so you can choose anything, easy or difficult, and all students will have the same opportunity to learn and remember it - and the chance to finesse their spoken grammar, and the lower students have clear goals they can reach, things concrete to learn, and thus less likely to be left behind by better students in class.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching to the middle is the only way really, but if you're using the national curriculum, then you might be able to get a little more into things during the games.

once in a while, I prep two activities for a lesson- one for advanced kids, and one for the slower ones. That way the advanced kids aren't causing trouble while I explain stuff to the rest of the class.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: students of mixed abilities Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
Why not meet with the top 5 students for extra work? They are the ones who seem to like learning English and can get the most out of their time with you! I think the real tragedy is to let the TOP students fall through the cracks by dumbing down your classes.



I am not dumbing down the class. The reason I meet with the bottom students for an extra 10 minutes a week is because they can't keep up with the pace of the class(conducted at a pace reflecting the needs of the more able students).
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:05 pm    Post subject: mixed abilities Reply with quote

This posting will not help matters, it will just state certain facts, sorry.

No matter where you teach, you will have classes with mixed levels.

Teaching in NY had made my head spin becasue there just simply was no middle ground. The "smarter" kids would get bored, while the "slower" ones would suffer. At times I would ahve the "smart" ones help the others, and that made them feel god, and they learned many things by helping. At other times they resented the fact that class was slow.

I used to at times pick a topic, and let the students write questions on what ever leverl they were at. It CAN help, for instance:

If I was teaching about the forest, the slower students might have asked "why do trees grow". The brighter student might have answered the question in a way the slower child cound get it. Perhaps. And the bright student may have said " where do the animals sleep".

It may be something you can try. Them you can build a lesson on the questions.

If u have no time to do something like that, you will just have toteach to the middle ground, and ask higher/and lower questions, and give information in ways all the children can understand.

If they can write on their own, that may be easy. You can correct at their levels

This is a hard question to answer, and if anyone has a good answer, please share it, as we all need to hear it.

Oh, byt he way please excuse me in advance if I make typo's or spelling errors. I am trying to give an answer, not trying to be raked over by the police.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: mixed abilities Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
If I was teaching about the forest, the slower students might have asked "why do trees grow". The brighter student might have answered the question in a way the slower child cound get it. Perhaps. And the bright student may have said " where do the animals sleep".


It may be something you can try. Them you can build a lesson on the questions.


The least able students are incapable of asking questions in English other than "how are you?"



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If they can write on their own, that may be easy. You can correct at their levels


Unfortunately the least able students can't write in English.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:
Teach to the middle.

That's all you can do in a class of 30-40 students that you only see for less than an hour once a week.


Sounds good to me. Once a week for less than one hour? How much can you really do if that is the case? Not much I would think.
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