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trigger123

Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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steriodmaximus wrote:
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Lemme tell ya, I tapped way more ass back in Canada then I ever did here. |
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although I have dated fat and/or ugly girls who were intellectually interesting. |
and my favourite piece of steriodmaximus is
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Usually for me, if you ain't got something going on upstairs, or if I can't learn it, you ain't gettin a taste of steroidmaximus |
like i say, taking this bonehead discussion seriously is not a good idea.
you love who you love. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think Western women are very attractive. Before I married, I thought that I would wed a Westerner. I just figured that I would be better off that way.
But then I met my wife. We were compatible, she spoke fairly good English, we both shared a love of playing music (guitar & piano), and we were both ready for a serious relationship. (BTW, she's Korean. )
I think that one thing that makes a difference is that people be ready for something long term. I think one of the worst problems with Western guys dating Korean women is that guys sometimes have a tendency of "objectifying" women. They are a sex object or trophy. Most of these relationships tend to break apart after a few years since the guy doesn't allow the relationship to grow and mature. Call me crazy, but I've seen it happen so often.
My wife and I have both grown over the years. We're both very passionate "hot-blooded" people so we tend to be hard on each other a lot. Yet, over the years, things are getting better.
In any event, I still think Western women are hot. But personality goes a long way with me.
Cheers!
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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My comment was directed at Polytime who said that even though there was NO communication, she seriously dated the guy and later married him. I also addressed this issue last week when Cedar said that even though her boyfriend couldn't speak a single word of English and she couldn't speak a single word of [whatever his language is] they started dating and had sex within a week. THIS is what I can't understand and obviosly i'm not the only one.
A couple of my best friends are married to Koreans and even though neither of them are fluent in the others native language, communication isn't a problem. I'm not talking about these situations. I know another guy who married some country girl who can't speak a lick of English and he can't speak a lick of Korean. I'd rather score my ball sack with a steak knife and marinate it in a vat of hot sauce overnight than hang out with these two for an hour. Everything is so dumbed down with these two that being around them is like spending a night at retard camp.
I've always wondered how these two cope with the fact that they don't really know each other....anyways, a month ago a buddy of mine told me that the aforementioned guy came home early one day from work and found his Korean wife bobbing on his friend like a dead, bloated baby hippo in a riptide. True story. Even though he's been married to the girl for a year and a half, he doesn't really know her.
Does this mean that if you can communicate effecively with your partner that both parties will be eternally faithful? Of course not...but you can get an idea that your date is a complete skank after talking to her for a few hours. It's pretty hard to peel back the layers and understand the nuances of her personality when your conversation goes no deeper than "oppa! Bae goo pal." |
Thanks Corporal for backing me up...you obviously can read. Squat Toilet....you're comparing some non-English speaking skank cheating on your friend as the result of not knowing each other and speaking the langauge. But couples who speak the same language still cheat on each other as well...so where's the point in that? I dated and lived with my K. husband for 2.5 years before getting married, so I think I'm more than qualified to say I know the guy. We spent EVERY DAY with each other and yes, like any other "Normal" couple we have had fights, disagreements, and so forth. We can communicate perfectly through problems.....also when did I ever say that we had NO communication? I have been saying the opposite of all that...read my post again. We have EXCELLENT communication despite him not speaking English....does it take work, yes. We have built our own language with each other, known to linguists as a pigeon language, and it is a language that took 2.5 years to create and is still developing. Also, I make an effort to learn Korean. I understand your take on not understanding our situation....believe me, you're not the first. Yes, we're not the "mainstream" type of couple and I know that Middle America is gonna question us when we go back home. But the only people who can really evaluate our communication effectiveness is us. We know what works for us. What is important in a marriage is that I take care of him and he takes care of me. Communication is something we have to work on every day....like I said, our communication and respect for each other surpasses many of the relationships back home where the couples constantly bicker and try to piss each other off all the time.
There's nothing wrong with refusing to date someone who doesn't speak English, if thats your choice. It does take alot of hard work and miscommunications will fire all the time. I know that I couldn't just date any Korean guy who didn't speak English....but my husband is a wonderful exception. When I came to Korean I also thought "I'll never date a Korean guy" Never say never, I guess. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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You mean pidgen. It is a basic language made up of a number of different languages. Historically so was English, French and Italian, German, Spanish and many other languages before a few centuries passed and they were considered a language in thier own.
P.S. If anyone can speak PNG, Solomon Island pidgen and write it as well. I would like to PM you and get back into improving my grammar and spoken language. |
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agraham

Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Location: Daegu, Korea
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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PolyChronic Time Girl wrote: |
There's nothing wrong with refusing to date someone who doesn't speak English, if thats your choice. It does take alot of hard work and miscommunications will fire all the time. |
And that's the crux for me. When I get home from work I want to kick back with my girl and talk about the book we're reading together. Or watch the same comedy show and laugh at the same jokes. Or have a serious heart-to-heart about our feelings for shrimp versus crawfish.
Work is the opposite of fun. People who say being in a relationship is hard work have a different idea of what a relationship should be from me. |
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thorin

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Living in Korea and dating a westerner is like living in Korea and eating at McDonalds every day. Dating someone you can't communicate with is like going to a Korean restaurant, closing your eyes, pointing at the menu and eating whatever they bring you. After reading that other thread, I'm hungry for black noodles:
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thorin

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Summer Wine wrote: |
You mean pidgen. |
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sillywilly

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Canada.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: |
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[quote="thorin"]Living in Korea and dating a westerner is like living in Korea and eating at McDonalds every day. Dating someone you can't communicate with is like going to a Korean restaurant, closing your eyes, pointing at the menu and eating whatever they bring you. After reading that other thread, I'm hungry for black noodles:
Is that why you hear western men asking: " You want fries with that shake?" Couldn't help it, sorry. I would hope that any interesting partner would be more like a highschool caf: somethign new and mysterious everyday. Maybe thats idealistic. |
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pollyplummer

Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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[quote="PolyChronic Time Girl"]
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We have built our own language with each other, known to linguists as a pigeon language, and it is a language that took 2.5 years to create and is still developing. Also, I make an effort to learn Korean. I understand your take on not |
Someone alert Mith... we've got a new language in the world. PCTG, mind if he comes over to study it? Afterall, you ARE the only subjects to be observed speaking it.
Just playin with ya... anyhoo, I have question. If and/or when you have children, will they also be able to speak PCTG pidgen? What's your plan for that? When I was a kid, there were two spoons in the silverware drawer- the regular spoons and the Table spoons. I came to find out later that they're called table spoons, because since childhood my sisters and I called them "cha-cha spoons." It must have been that our parents were not around when we christened them such, or we would have asked them. Let me tell you that I felt like a big FOOLIO when my friends came over in middle school and I was used to calling them "cha-cha spoons." Catch my drift? I'm not saying that you're kids will be screwed. I'm just saying that it might be uncomfortable for them. Another question. Will you do away with the pidgen language after one or both of you becomes fluent in English/Korean ?? |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Actually he wants to study Spanish with me!! I have to pass a proficiency test in Spanish for future grad school, so unfortunately, my time has been more focused on Spanish than on Korean at the moment. So maybe Spanish will be the language....I'm just beginning Spanish, so maybe we can start fresh together. I know that another poster, Cedar, speaks Chinese to her husband, although neither of them are native speakers of the language. I just read your other post...yeah, it will be hard for him to study Spanish...but you should have heard him belt out Richie Valen's "La Bamba" at the local noraebang with a pretty decent Spanish accent...I was floored
But since we plan to move to the states (Oregon, hopefully!) he also wants to speak English. He said he now wants to speak/study English...now if only I can pull him away from Tooniverse to study  |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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PP- if you read up on pidgens, your worries are unfounded. Parents speak pidgen, children speak a creole (a new language with a grammar and everything). Or, if they are in an environment, say, of English speakers, they still don't take on the bad habits they hear at home (otherwise all those Gyopos wouldn't have perfect English, would they?) so they become fluent speakers of English even if they hear pidgen at home. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Summer Wine wrote: |
You mean pidgen. |
If youre gonna post a spelling correction, in bold no less, you might want to spell it right yourself. |
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nev

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Location: ch7t
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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schwa wrote: |
Summer Wine wrote: |
You mean pidgen. |
If youre gonna post a spelling correction, in bold no less, you might want to spell it right yourself. |
Unless, of course, Summer Wine was referring to this: http://wwwacs.gantep.edu.tr/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?pidgen%2B |
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Callipear

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Location: Seoul Mapo-gu Seogyo-dong
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: |
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My korean boyfriend and I have been living together in paris for the past 3 years. We speak French together - but we also communicate in English and a little Korean. (my first Language is english). He's just left for Korea, and I'll be joining him soon, so one day I hope to have Korean under my belt too. My BF's English is pretty awful (bad pronounciation and grammar), but he understands 85% of what I say. Our dream is to one day be able to communicate with each other in our respective native languages. Because no matter how good either of us is in French, it's not our native language and I feel that our ability to express ourselves suffers, and will continue to suffer especially since we'll no longer live in France. Communication in french is okay but sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. Using our own native languages there'd be less of a discrepency between what we mean to say and what actually comes out of our mouths...I know this is a farfetched dream, but we're working steadily towards it.
Everyone solves their communication problems differently, and I know that being able to say what you want to say doesn't solve everything, but it will help smooth over a few of the bumps in our relationship, not to mention provide the impetus for learning another language fluently!  |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Are western women so very unattractive? |
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I have a question that I am sure many before me have asked but I will ask anyway--why is it that you always see Western men with Korean women but never Korean men with western women? It's not as of Western men in Korea are any more attractive than their female counterparts--in fact I would argue that they are less so!
It never fails to amuse me when I see the nerdiest western man strolling arm in arm with a gorgeous Korean woman. When such a man sees a western girl such as myself looking at the happy couple, he always seems to avoid eye contact and scurries away. Could it be because he knows that you know that there is no chance in hell that he would ever get a date with a beautiful woman at home?
This is not sour grapes-- I have a boyfriend back home--merely social commentary.
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There must be no country in which it's easier for a woman who'd never get a date back home to get one as here. Not that there's anything wrong with that, as I have a couple of female friends in such a category who deserve it based on their personalities. |
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