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yakey



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: American News Network says US is prepping Guam for NK war Reply with quote

I saw one of the evening news shows this morning, I think it was the CBS Evening News (it would be Thursday evening's news in the USA), and they had a big story about how the US is now prepping Guam for the possibility of a military strike on North Korea. They said they've already moved some of the more advanced F-15 aircraft and Stealth Bombers from bases in the USA to Guam, and that there are some nuclear submarines with tomahawk missiles in the port at Guam right now.
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inthewild



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, are you trying to scare me? Link me.

I've never felt safer anywhere except for this whole war stuff. Laughing

Edit:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=eveningnews

Go down a bit, it's there for today anyways... don't know how to link java/real player. Anyways, it just points out that there's tons of supplies there, not many planes and they're planning to add more in the next few years. Nothing earth shattering.
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is old news, they have been deploying to guam since this whole mess started.
Not to mention the activity around the Jinhae and Pohang naval bases these days.

People are unaware that there are already 4 nuclear subs, 2 on each side of the peninsula, patrolling at any given time just in case North Korea does something shady.

They are playing the same game that Hogwon bosses play, "to see who would flinch first"

But anyone in uniform or has information about the war strategy will tell you...North Korea cannot win, either conventionally or nuclearally.
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="
But anyone in uniform or has information about the war strategy will tell you...North Korea cannot win, either conventionally or nuclearally.[/quote]

Wrong answer! The north has one of the largest armies in the world. If the US alone could beat the north...they would have already done it instead of listening to there rhetoric and other nonsense, etc.. If the north strikes first...it is well known by the people in uniform...the area around seoul would be history. Millions and millions would be killed in the first few days of the war in and around seoul. That's a fact. Bridges would be knocked out and millions would be stuck on either side of the river.
Don't kid yourself....the north would win hands down until the allies got together...that would take at least 3-4 weeks before all the troops from around the world landed in korea...in the mean time...the north has killed millions.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
[quote="
But anyone in uniform or has information about the war strategy will tell you...North Korea cannot win, either conventionally or nuclearally.


Wrong answer! The north has one of the largest armies in the world. If the US alone could beat the north...they would have already done it instead of listening to there rhetoric and other nonsense, etc.. If the north strikes first...it is well known by the people in uniform...the area around seoul would be history. Millions and millions would be killed in the first few days of the war in and around seoul. That's a fact. Bridges would be knocked out and millions would be stuck on either side of the river.
Don't kid yourself....the north would win hands down until the allies got together...that would take at least 3-4 weeks before all the troops from around the world landed in korea...in the mean time...the north has killed millions.[/quote]

DUDE dont under estimate the US.. the north koreans sure have a big military 1 million strong.. but remember they dont have the training with the lastest weapons, they dont have the lastest lastest weapons!
tanks, armored vehicles etc.. jets ships.. satelite technology..
you wouldnt want to back the USA up against the wall.. becuase they would unleash hell to get free.. and that would mean the so called strong NK army you talk about.. would be WIPED OUT! NK cant get close to USA but we can destroy NK in a matter of hours!
and then just sail back home! and wait for the dust clear in NK!!
mean while everyone back in the US will still be sipping there MOCHA LATTES and ordering drive through as if nothing happend!
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peemil



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry. There won't be any escape for any of us.

If it comes down to the wire, you'll either die in the first few days, or end up getting stuck here holding a rifle.

Nothing to worry about.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you give way too much credit to the North Korean military. Yes they could kill many people in Seoul with their 13,000 artillery guns but they would be annihilated by the allied forces because they are underfed and have severe fuel shortages. They couldn't sustain an offensive of any kind for more than 1 day and it would be a virtual suicide to cross over the DMZ with no supply lines. A large portion of their tanks are from the 1940's and 50's and they don't have enough extra ammunition to do any field training exercises.
All they could do is inflict mass casualties in Seoul and then somehow blame it on the Americans. They couldn't win a war but they could destroy Seoul.

Here is a good link to read:

http://www.g2mil.com/korea.htm
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
you wouldnt want to back the USA up against the wall.. becuase they would unleash hell to get free.. and that would mean the so called strong NK army you talk about.. would be WIPED OUT! NK cant get close to USA but we can destroy NK in a matter of hours!
and then just sail back home! and wait for the dust clear in NK!!


Yes and Iraq has demonstrated this convincingly... Confused

However, technology is not the all powerful solution you think itaewonguy.

For example, NK is not Iraq as far as terrain is concerned. It is rugged and mountainous. Also, the NK army is well trained as they obtain most of the funding from Dear Leader. The US at present is grossly over stretched by Iraq and would be hard pressed to find troops for this war. Of course the UN would be involved if NK moved first and Bush did not apply his now infamous pre-emptive foreign policy.

This would not be some cakewalk war.

About the possibility of incenerating NK...do you honestly think that the US would use nuclear weapons here (I assume this is what you mean)? Have you taken a look at a map recently? China is in NK's backyard, Japan is nearby and then there is SK.

This means that this war would have to be won on the ground as the terrain in NK would make all this high tech from the air rather useless (see iraq for reference or for that matter vietnam and Rolling Thunder).
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peemil



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer is right. It'd be fought the same way as the last time. With bayonets, bullets and fists.

If it happens, I think we all imagine that our respective countries would whisk us away. Not going to happen. It'd be bedlam.

So you've got two choices. Hide, or go with the guy with the gun who is pressing you into service.

Same shit different war.
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nth can and would take seoul in less than 24 hours, with the current US forces only being a tripwire.. however they wouldn't be able to hold their positions for longer than a week. Also just read an interesting part in the book, Two Koreas, in relation to some Nth soldiers captured some 10 years ago. They were all of about 5 foot and 50kgs... might mean they could find some good hiding spots, and be quick as rabbits... but fighters?? not too sure about that
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peemil



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Viet Cong were only small fellas. Growing up with Vietnam Vets has taught me one thing. Size doesn't matter at all.
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soviet_man



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The USA is continuing to send food and humanitarian assistance to the DPRK.

That seems to contradict the argument that military action against the DPRK is imminent.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

komtengi wrote:
The Nth can and would take seoul in less than 24 hours, with the current US forces only being a tripwire.. however they wouldn't be able to hold their positions for longer than a week. Also just read an interesting part in the book, Two Koreas, in relation to some Nth soldiers captured some 10 years ago. They were all of about 5 foot and 50kgs... might mean they could find some good hiding spots, and be quick as rabbits... but fighters?? not too sure about that


take seoul? yeah,..
but I know korean people.. they will fight..!!
they wont just stand around and let the north come on down here and kill them! you will see all the korean ajusis out on the streets with there home made soju bombs causing havic... the north doesnt have the strengh to maintain the position as you say! it would be suicide mission if they cross the DMZ.. thats why it will NEVER HAPPEN!
KIM JOENG IL is only a king as long as he has a nation! the minute he makes war he will loose his KINGDOM and he knows it!
there will never be a North Korean attack! only a north korean counter attack!
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
hellofaniceguy wrote:
[quote="
But anyone in uniform or has information about the war strategy will tell you...North Korea cannot win, either conventionally or nuclearally.


Wrong answer! The north has one of the largest armies in the world. If the US alone could beat the north...they would have already done it instead of listening to there rhetoric and other nonsense, etc.. If the north strikes first...it is well known by the people in uniform...the area around seoul would be history. Millions and millions would be killed in the first few days of the war in and around seoul. That's a fact. Bridges would be knocked out and millions would be stuck on either side of the river.
Don't kid yourself....the north would win hands down until the allies got together...that would take at least 3-4 weeks before all the troops from around the world landed in korea...in the mean time...the north has killed millions.


DUDE dont under estimate the US.. the north koreans sure have a big military 1 million strong.. but remember they dont have the training with the lastest weapons, they dont have the lastest lastest weapons!
tanks, armored vehicles etc.. jets ships.. satelite technology..
you wouldnt want to back the USA up against the wall.. becuase they would unleash hell to get free.. and that would mean the so called strong NK army you talk about.. would be WIPED OUT! NK cant get close to USA but we can destroy NK in a matter of hours!
and then just sail back home! and wait for the dust clear in NK!!
mean while everyone back in the US will still be sipping there MOCHA LATTES and ordering drive through as if nothing happend![/quote]


I am not underestimating the US military....I am only saying that in the early stages of a conflict...the north would make a big killing in seoul until the allies arrived.
The south could never ever win taking on the north alone. Too many north soldiers. They couldn't do it 50 years ago and they couldn't do it against Japan. Today is north different.
Why do you think the UN is in the south?!
But...I think that if a conflict came about...the bigger problem is China. They would help the north. That is the NUMBER ONE reason why no war has begun all these years. China. The US alone could not win against China. It would take many nations helping the US and korea to win.
Why get into a fight when you KNOW you'll get your ass beat? China and north korea fighting together against the UN...it would be a mess!
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd think Taiwan/China is more the wild card around these parts.
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