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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Unless you have a Master's in Tesol, you should be comparing yourself to the aforementioned people.
Your threads to call the parents are going to fall on deaf ears as well. In fact, if there's some sort of damages clause in your contract, the director is going to use it to suck every last cent from your final paycheck. And he will be justified to do it as well. |
What are you saying there Fubar? Only people with masters can have ethics?
How is some hogwon owner/director justified in stealing any money? If they bothered to run their businesses professionally I could see your point...BUT as most hogwans are simply money grubbing amatuer outfits they have no rights to any of my or anyone elses hard earned cash. |
You can change it around and it still works: would you work as a receptionist for a mechanics shop that fixed cars with duct tape and charged customers a premium? Would you work as a telemarketer for an investment bank that defrauded customers? I wouldn't, not even in Korea for 2.2 million won / month. So why would I stay at my hogwan? |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
You can change it around and it still works: would you work as a receptionist for a mechanics shop that fixed cars with duct tape and charged customers a premium? Would you work as a telemarketer for an investment bank that defrauded customers? I wouldn't, not even in Korea for 2.2 million won / month. So why would I stay at my hogwan? |
So my question is: How is the school defrauding the parents? Is it by not having proper curriculum, not having qualified teachers or something else? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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You can change it around and it still works: would you work as a receptionist for a mechanics shop that fixed cars with duct tape and charged customers a premium? Would you work as a telemarketer for an investment bank that defrauded customers? I wouldn't, not even in Korea for 2.2 million won / month. So why would I stay at my hogwan? |
So my question is: How is the school defrauding the parents? Is it by not having proper curriculum, not having qualified teachers or something else? |
I have a class that usually refuses to do anything and the boss is fine with that. He's fine having me stand there like a fool as they just listen to music and play with their phones. I tried to implement a policy where if they didn't do the minimum work in class I'd keep late until they did - the boss just undermined me and told me to go home. They always leave as class is supposed to start and come in late - last week they came in ten minutes late and walked right past the boss and he did nothing. Their parents pay for them to attend an extra grammar class on Saturdays that they skip - they just hang around the hogwan teaching the younger kids to be naughty. If their parents ever saw what they do there I'm sure they would pull them out immediately. There are other classes where a few kids just goof off the whole time and no one cares. What happens at our hogwan with some kids is basically a form of neglect - teaching kids that appalling behaviour is acceptable if your parents have money and you're thus a customer. I'm not going to play a part in such fraud or participate in helping to install in youths such terrible values and attitudes. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Infact, I would also type-up and print a Letter of Release, so all your boss would have to do is sign it. |
I did that at a job a few years ago. We were very amicable and I parted under very good terms.
BUT the hagwon owner couldn't just sign my letter (I wrote it trying to help him, so he wouldn't lose any time over writing a LOR for me) cuz he needed information written in the letter I didn't know had to be there. I can't remember what that info was, but it was something about visa numbers, his hagwon's sponsorship numbers and so on.
In the end, he wrote one for me in Korean, with all the info needed, and I picked it up the following week. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I would write 2 letters. The one you would like to send and the one you will send. Notice the subtle differences.
Letter #1
Dear Dr. Goose*beep*er:
I am hereby resigning my position as the white monkey in chief of ADD Konglish Academy. There are numerous reasons for this, including your craptastic textbooks, morally degenerate management and the utterly loathsome offspring who befoul the corridors of this wretched hole.
Mere words cannot express the extent of my disdain for you. I can only hope that someday when your physical invalidity matches your present state of mental and moral regression, the greedy unholy *beep* you have spawned will put you in a Japanese nursing home off the coast of Takeshima where you will be gang-raped on an hourly basis by orderlies in Godzilla masks while being forced to watch Barney the purple dinosaur on the tube.
Oh Dear Sweet Lord how I despise you.
If the Letter of Release is not forthcoming within 30 days I will spoonfeed you a gallon of lye while you are tied to your chair. Let me repeat: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Sweet Lord Almighty how I hate you.
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Ha ha! 
That's the best thing I've read all day! Made me feel even better than a whole line of that powdered bathroom scouring powder, and almost as good as a quart of pine fresh Toilet Duck. |
ALMOST as good as Toilet *beep*? I mean Toilet Duck? My feelings are hurt. Better than that wretched Pinesol I hope. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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By no means do I want to generalize or give any bad impressions about Korean society, so don't flame me for this. It's just an observation I have deducted from working at numerous hogkwans the past three years.(Yes, I have always been outsourced)
I think that many parents actually do care about their children getting added education boosts from an academy. However, I also think that some parents aren't too picky and are actually using it as a babysitting service. Just like daycare in NA. So to shell out 100,000+ won for three to fours a day of babysitting each month is not that big of a burden. They can use that time to get a lot of stuff done or work and make some dough.
Let's face it, the directors are concerned about profits the most. I have only seen a few students get the boot from an academy. Those were times when the child was wreaking havoc on other students. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 3:37 am Post subject: |
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By no means do I want to generalize or give any bad impressions about Korean society, so don't flame me for this. It's just an observation I have deducted from working at numerous hogkwans the past three years.(Yes, I have always been outsourced)
I think that many parents actually do care about their children getting added education boosts from an academy. However, I also think that some parents aren't too picky and are actually using it as a babysitting service. Just like daycare in NA. So to shell out 100,000+ won for three to fours a day of babysitting each month is not that big of a burden. They can use that time to get a lot of stuff done or work and make some dough.
Let's face it, the directors are concerned about profits the most. I have only seen a few students get the boot from an academy. Those were times when the child was wreaking havoc on other students. |
One of my questions if I get a hogwon offer that I really like and get an interview will be "how many students have you expelled?" |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject: pdf |
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EFL-law has an online letter of resignation/letter of release that you can print in pdf and use.
http://efl-law.org/LTE-SelfTerm.pdf
Additionally the letters are duplicated in Korean as well as in English. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: pdf |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
EFL-law has an online letter of resignation/letter of release that you can print in pdf and use.
http://efl-law.org/LTE-SelfTerm.pdf
Additionally the letters are duplicated in Korean as well as in English. |
Be very careful with this document. The Korean translation, I have been reliably informed by two completely bi-lingual people, is confusing at places. Get a bi-lingual Korean friend to translate the English one. |
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