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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: English Lessons in Geckos |
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I was in Geckos on Friday and took an availble seat at the bar. Next to me was a korean woman and man who started up a conversation with me. They worked for the City Hall. As we were talking this attractive, middle aged Korean woman came up to us. She was their teacher. She disappeared and went and sat by this chap and struck up a conversation. Soon she left and brought back a bloke and sat him down by the chap. It became obvious that she was planting her students with foreigners so that they could practice their English.
I did not want to be rude, on the other hand I wanted to sit and enjoy my beer and not try to discern the students' attempt at English. Finally, the students asked me if I felt them to be boring.
I am not sure how wise this lady's choice was? Any techer there would not want to be bothered with giving English lessons in Geckos. At the samw time a little alcohol does seem to lower the affective filter.
She said she use to train flight attendants in Minneapolis. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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This is bad.
I'd be friendly to the people.
But I'd tell the 'teacher' what I thought of her plan to use me.
Then, I'd try to get her back to my place after the session to 'conference' on our pedagogical experiences. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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That's a pretty smart idea: will they drop into 3A too do you think?
Free beer, chatting with an attractive lady? |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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If the management of Geckos were smart, they'd politely ask the woman to leave and not retun with students. It's one thing to chat with a random Korean that wants to talk- no problem, but this is different. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
That's a pretty smart idea: will they drop into 3A too do you think?
Free beer, chatting with an attractive lady? |
Attractive ladies at 3-A? Hell, that's a deal! You provide the free beer, I provide the free chat.
Actually, I've seen (foreign) English teachers at 3-A. And on a few occasions, I've even seen them bring in small groups of college-age students with them... like they're on some sort of free-talking, foreign-language field trip. At least one of the teachers was from Hongdae, and his students (mostly female) all looked half-spooked. I remember thinking that odd, considering how tame and laid back 3-A is compared to their thumpy little grindboxes over in Hongdae. Of course the place was a sardine tin when they arrive, so forget about sitting down. But they really looked ill at ease and not thrilled to be there. Seen that a few times, and each time they come and leave within a few minutes. Definitely not their scene. |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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think of it as a cultural outing!
it sucks though, what if immigration came and tried to bust you, eventhough it isn't your class? that would suck. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Taking a class to Itaewon might be a useful thing, though I find it sad that Koreans need exposure therapy to deal with foreigners (the standard treatment for phobias). Pawning them off on other teachers who are out enjoying their time off is what bothers me. |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Actually learning to speak Korean helps with situations like these. Whenever they speak English, just reply in Korean. If they say they want to learn English, then tell them you are at loggerheads.
I think I dont need to point out the hypocritical double standard of male English teachers in Korea getting angry when a K guy tries to use them for English, but dont mind when a hot K girl does the same. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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shakuhachi wrote: |
... I think I dont need to point out the hypocritical double standard of male English teachers in Korea getting angry when a K guy tries to use them for English, but dont mind when a hot K girl does the same. |
"Hypocritical double standard"? I call it downright heterosexual of them!  |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
That's a pretty smart idea: will they drop into 3A too do you think?
Free beer, chatting with an attractive lady? |
Why doesn't everyone think like you Wangja? If I was sat in a bar on my own, I'd be quite glad of the company.
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Actually learning to speak Korean helps with situations like these. Whenever they speak English, just reply in Korean. If they say they want to learn English, then tell them you are at loggerheads.
I think I dont need to point out the hypocritical double standard of male English teachers in Korea getting angry when a K guy tries to use them for English, but dont mind when a hot K girl does the same. |
Right.
But, noo! she wants me, she doesn't want to practice her English-! noo, she wants me! |
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tommynomad

Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Location: on the move
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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shakuhachi wrote: |
Actually learning to speak Korean helps with situations like these. Whenever they speak English, just reply in Korean. If they say they want to learn English, then tell them you are at loggerheads. |
Absolutely, 100% correct. I speak Korean to all locals who approach me. When they inevitably ask me what I'm doing here, I say learning Korean. When they ask me why I won't speak English with them, I remind them of my reason for being here. I even had one who after all this whined "but I want to practise my English." I told him the only way to do that right is to go to an English-speaking country, just as I was doing in order to learn Korean.
I always do this politely, and the one whiner aside have always been treated respectfully by the Koreans I rebuff. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I was at KYOBO BOOKSTORE once.. where a Korean man who was trying to find a native speaker to correct his business letter written in English.
He was going up to each and every foreigner in the bookstore asking them for a few minutes to edit this document.
He was extremely persistant. I looked at his document for a minute.. and it would have easily been a 20-minute job to even begin to attempt to correct just the largest of mistakes.
As you'd expect, no foreigner in the bookstore that day wanted to take on this meaty task. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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If I have time, and they are Uni-students in Kyobo or something. I'm often cool with it. If someone needs help with something and it's not too far out of my way I often do it.
Also, I can "understand" the logic of sending them to a foreigner bar. I think that taking them out of a classroom setting and getting them to interact is important.
What strikes me wrong about the whole thing is the apparent deception. Being chatted up as a teacher without knowing the intent rubs me wrong. If I knew what they wanted, I could make the choice. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
I was at KYOBO BOOKSTORE once.. where a Korean man who was trying to find a native speaker to correct his business letter written in English.
He was going up to each and every foreigner in the bookstore asking them for a few minutes to edit this document.
He was extremely persistant. I looked at his document for a minute.. and it would have easily been a 20-minute job to even begin to attempt to correct just the largest of mistakes.
As you'd expect, no foreigner in the bookstore that day wanted to take on this meaty task. |
Ahhh..this drive me crazy...I think it's downright rude for Koreans to go on an "English stalking" trip, hunting for foreigners. And what's even worse, they want you to edit/teach something for free. Cheap skates if you ask me and are just looking to swindle free English lessons from you..hopefully they don't become hagwon owners...I can just smell the late paychecks....
The reason I feel this strongly about this is that I've had some Koreans use me for free English. Not only use me but flat-out stalk me....they would show up unannounced at my apartment at 6am or demand me to blow off plans with my friend in order to spend "friend" time with them. They cover it with the guise of "let's be friends." But then I found myself teaching their kid or whatever for free and wasting my time.
Often if some Korean wants to start a harmless converstion...no problem. But if I had a persistent ajeoshi storm up to me like that in Kyobo and ask me to proofreed his letter, I'd just say "Lo Siento....No hablo Englise."
One time I was talking on my cell phone and a lady with a kid kept jabbing her finger in my shoulder. This call was important so I turned to this lady, very annoyed. She said "teach my son English right now (she's holding a child's English book)".....I said "I don't speak English" and then proceeded to talk English on my cell phone...and walked away. |
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turtlepi1

Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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With the reputation of foreigners (ESL teachers) in Korea, I question the wisedom of taking the students to a foreigner bar.
Aside from that I think these outings are great. They do it all the time at the English schools in Canada. (I guess I shouldn't say all of Canada, but I have seen it in Halifax and Vancouver.)
Mind you, I guess the population in general are more friendly than ESL teachers. I keep forgetting there is a reason WHY they ran away from their own country. (j/k)
Cheers. |
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