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'English language in Korea has gone overboard'
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: 'English language in Korea has gone overboard' Reply with quote

Korean universities have been adding English-language courses in the belief that this will make students more competitive and prepare them for global challenges. But some university students believe that putting so much time and effort into education in English is a poor choice. "The frenzy and glorification of the English language in Korea has gone overboard," says Lee Yoon-joon, an elementary education student at Ewha Womans University. "The purpose of coming to university at all is to learn more about the world and sharpen our analytical skills, so we can behave and live with a heightened sense of awareness."
Students decry English mania
by Koo Mee-hyoe, JoongAng Daily (May 22, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200505/22/200505222225156009900090109013.html
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Hwajangsil Ajumma



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't learning English help the quoted student to "learn more about the world"? Or does she wish to confine her learning to the accepted scholarly practice of books and theory only? Sounds like she'll never trouble herself by applying for a passport.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO we have a problem when �ܿ����п� = �����п�. I always think that they might have some other languages there, but of course not. Confused
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Hyalucent



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 'English language in Korea has gone overboard' Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
a heightened sense of awareness.


Deer... headlights... global economy.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang. And, this was going to be my very first RR-ish thread, too.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
IMO we have a problem when �ܿ����п� = �����п�. I always think that they might have some other languages there, but of course not. Confused


Mith ... did you mean : �� �� ??? Molla-ae-yo Question

Anyways, i DO find the way-gook thing bothersome Confused

I often ask "What ??? You mean Chinese or Japanese? Thai or Vietnamese? What of Russian?"

Sometimes the answer is YES ... sometimes NO. When NO, i feel they should be more accurately saying so-yang-in ( i.e. westerner ). Of course context is everything.

Am i off base here ??? Maybe just a little too sensitive ???

How do Koreans like it when we paint them all with the same "Asian" label ??? Best to be specific.


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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
IMO we have a problem when �ܿ����п� = �����п�. I always think that they might have some other languages there, but of course not. Confused


Actually I saw a place in cheonho that was offering english, chinese and japanese. But you're right they are few and far between.
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animalbirdfish



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Korea really wants to get their English language game together then the students need classes in English other than simply language classes. Science, history, politics, etc. should be taught in English if that's what the students really want to learn. It's not terribly realistic just yet, but good to see the universities taking a step in that direction.


And as for this: "The purpose of coming to university at all is to learn more about the world and sharpen our analytical skills, so we can behave and live with a heightened sense of awareness."

Well, isn't it possible to sharpen those skills in a second language?
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that uni-students, who should be some of the most enlightened people around, have their heads SO far up their butts?
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually most adult hagwons do offer classes in Japanese and Chinese as well as English. Too bad there aren't many offering classes in languages besides those 3
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just in the hagwons, but in the newspapers. One article I saw a month ago said 'government to strengthen the �ܱ��� education over five years!'

I thought, "Nice! Will they bring in more Semetic languages? Maybe Turkish ones, and perhaps more research into whether Uigur and Korean are related? Or perhaps some new members of the European Union, Estonian or something," and then I read the article. It was about GEPIK Surprised Oh. More 'native English speakers'. How charming. Confused
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should look suspicious when a university student-- let alone an elementary education student-- complains about a subject where you're forced to put some effort into learning. I was a BEd student once, and spent far too much time learning teacher union flatulence and useless courses on lesson planning theory, and very little time in intellectually challenging subjects. People still complained about the burden, oh the burden. What courses is she proposing that hone her analytical skills? My guess is that it's Korean folklore-- or better yet, nothing at all-- and not Quadratics.

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meagicano



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yonsei students can, and do take classes in English if they want - I have one class where I'm the only exchange student and the others are regular Yonsei.

Some of them have been educated abroad and thus want to keep up their command of the English language. Others want to challenge themselves and put their English into practice, having learned it in hagwons but not having the opportunity to live and study in English language countries.
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bosintang



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Article wrote:

"Another issue is: Why have an English-language environment, considering that the participants, the students and professors, are not native English speakers?"


The Article Again wrote:


"English classes are inefficient in helping students shape more finely-grained thoughts and arguments," says Sun Joo-yeon, a junior at Ewha's Department of International Relations. "The first objective becomes overcoming the language barrier, and the rest becomes secondary."
Student Hyung Soo-jin agrees. "Usually, the quality of English courses are much lower than the courses taught in Korean. Instead of focusing on the number of English courses, schools should make classes smaller, so that each student will get more individual attention."




Captain Corea wrote:
Why is it that uni-students, who should be some of the most enlightened people around, have their heads SO far up their butts?


Although I'm too far removed from the university setting here to have an opinion on this, I think the students opinions very well could be justified. English is not the end-all-be-all of education, and if putting too much emphasis on English education comes at a cost to the other subjects, then the students have a valid point.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The purpose of coming to university at all is to learn more about the world and sharpen our analytical skills, so we can behave and live with a heightened sense of awareness."


Now, that....is funny.
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