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My Boss isn't Holding to the Pension Fund

 
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: My Boss isn't Holding to the Pension Fund Reply with quote

Do you pay into the pension fund and is this so serious as to be enforced by garnishing your wages or having to dish up backpay?

My boss isn't holding to the pension fund, and I just wonder if I should make this a priority, or mandatory.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: My Boss isn't Holding to the Pension Fund Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Do you pay into the pension fund and is this so serious as to be enforced by garnishing your wages or having to dish up backpay?

My boss isn't holding to the pension fund, and I just wonder if I should make this a priority, or mandatory.


He might not have to, if there's less than 5 full-time employees at the school.

Is that right? Is the number five?
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are less than five full-time employees, or exactly that number. I believe we have four girls and one guy who acts as an assistant.

But wait a minute. Then there's me, of course, so I guess there are five-six of us, unless you consider some of the girls as part-time. My boss seems like an honest guy, so I think he'd hold to this if it were a legal mandate.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then I believe he is exempt.

Are you paying into it? If he isn't, then don't bother. No one will go after you for it.
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pegpig



Joined: 10 May 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps because I missed a kimchi dose I'm seeing double, but are there 2 almost identical pension threads by the same guy? Gotta maintain your kimchi intake.

If you signed a contract that says you both contribute to pension, then he should pay his share and deduct yours. If not, and you're at or below that magical 5 (or whatever), then I'd say it's optional for him (meaning NO). If you're above, well I guess you have to decide if you want a fight or not. I worked for a big 18. They had lots of teachers and he was also a big arse. There was no mention of pension and he wasn't about to pay anywho, so why bother? He would have deducted the pension and pocketed it anyways.

It's nice to get that extra million or so at the end of the contract, but is it worth the fight?
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners working at the workplace with more than 5 full-time employees were included in the mandatory coverage in August 1995 and those working at the workplace with less than 5 employees including self-employed foreigners were also included in the mandatory coverage in April 1999. Accordingly, foreigners aged from 18 to less than 60 who reside in Korea must be, in principle, covered under the Scheme. But foreigners falling under any of the following items are excluded from the coverage.

So it doesnt matter how many employees they have you are supposed to be covered!
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also matters where you are from. People from some countries can't get pension back at all, so there is no point in throwing your money away. I believe Australians are this way, for example. Americans do get theirs plus the boss's contributions, and I believe Candians do as well.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pegpig wrote:
He would have deducted the pension and pocketed it anyways.

It's nice to get that extra million or so at the end of the contract, but is it worth the fight?


In this situation, you should check in with the pension office to make sure that you're subscribed and that they've received the correct contributions.

It may not be worth a big fight, but I think that it is worth quitting and getting a job where they will abide by the law. There are plenty of decent jobs out there.

And, if he refuses to pay, then you just report him and the government forces him to either pay or close his business. Either way, fewer foreigners will be getting screwed.
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still seems confusing to me. Is it law or is it not? Many here said "coverage" but is there enforcement of this law for foreigners? I'm not going to fight about it now. Maybe next time I'll push for it, but why bother to rock the boat.
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
Still seems confusing to me. Is it law or is it not? Many here said "coverage" but is there enforcement of this law for foreigners? I'm not going to fight about it now. Maybe next time I'll push for it, but why bother to rock the boat.


It's enforceable if the Pension Office knows about an offender. However, the government does not actively look for pension violators and there are ways for employers to hide your prescence from the Pension Office. Part of the problem is that most government agencies don't communicate with each other. Neither immigration nor the tax office give lists of employers to the Pension Office.

The only office that does communicate with the pension office, as far as I know, is the National Health Insurance Corporation. But all they do is inform the pension office that you are covered under employer-sponsored health insurance. Most pension violators subscribe their employees to private health insurance plans in order to avoid pension. This is also bad because most affordable private health insurance plans are inferior to the national plan.
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redd



Joined: 08 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school is small too, but pension was listed in the contract. Because I'm the only one from a country that can claim it back, my director wasn't too keen on signing us all up.

I consulted the lovely folks here and eventually asked him privately if we could come to an arrangement. He pays me half of his amount and doesn't take any off my pay, so we're both happy with this.

Thanks Grotto, I believe it was your suggestion.
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