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Are there a lot of bogus MAs from Australia?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Are there a lot of bogus MAs from Australia? Reply with quote

I read a few places that MAs from some, perhaps even many Aussie institutions are not worth a grain of salt elsewhere. Except, of course, Korea, where they have no clue.

Is this true? Should I avoid studying in Australia?
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Koreabound2004



Joined: 19 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a lot of Canadians who can't get accepted to a teacher's college back home go to Australia to get a "Master's" of Education....and pay out of the a$$ to go there. It's not really looked upon as equal to a B.Ed from Canada.

I am sure they do have reputable institutions...just have to do your research. A lot of them seem to be money grab places....but then that can be said for many universities these days.
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
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canukteacher



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Master's in Education does not replace a B.ED in any country. If you want to teach in the public school system (anywhere) you need the B.ED. (or the country's equivalent). You need the B.Ed to obtain your teacher's license. A master's gives you the qualification necessary to teach at the tertiary level............ie. universities and colleges.

Before someone jumps on me, I know that the B.ED requirement is often waived by public schools in many non-English countries when it comes to English teachers. However, Taiwan does require a B.ed. Hong Kong has just dropped the B.ed requirement because they simply cannot attract enough B.ed's to fill all available positions.

As far as Australian degrees being bogus. What do you mean by bogus? Doesn't bogus mean fake? I don't think that Australian uni's are awarding fake degrees. What you would have to look at is the reputation of the institution, are they accredited? etc., etc. All countries have good uni's and not so good uni's. You need to do the homework, and find out as much as you can about the university that you are interested in. Just because a uni does not have a good reputation does not mean its degrees are bogus.


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Derrek



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't say bogus, unless someone else did and I missed it. I meant that they are not very well accepted.

Every country has poor programs, but when you're researching a country other than your own, it can be more difficult to figure out what is good and what isn't. I guess that's why I posted this.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the list of the Top 15 universities look here(Group of top Cool http://www.go8.edu.au/ and here (Innavtion unis) http://www.irua.edu.au/.

If it isn't in these two you know that the unis are on the lower level of universities.......
Not that there is anything wrong with that, some of the other unis offer awesome specialist corses but the lower ones seem to go to town on distance degrees and masters especially
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Wangja



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Didn't say bogus, unless someone else did and I missed it. I meant that they are not very well accepted. .....


I don't understand something; unless the "bogus" above is different from the "bogus" in the thread title, which reads "Are there a lot of bogus MAs from Australia?"
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Derrek wrote:
Didn't say bogus, unless someone else did and I missed it. I meant that they are not very well accepted. .....


I don't understand something; unless the "bogus" above is different from the "bogus" in the thread title, which reads "Are there a lot of bogus MAs from Australia?"


Laughing

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have misunderstood you there derrek Rolling Eyes

if you find any genuine truth to your slander of australian unis please post them here.
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canukteacher



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the title of your post, it says BOGUS.

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Erik the Viking



Joined: 17 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Man tastes his own foot as he is forced to eat his words Reply with quote

I find it amusing that Canadians can't get into a university in their own country and then complain when an Australian university admits them.

It's kinda like, "Huh! I wouldn't study anywhere that would let me in."

But seriously, you should check the credentials of any uni that you are considering.

Oh yeah, and read your own subject titles...sheesh.
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Didn't say bogus, unless someone else did and I missed it. I meant that they are not very well accepted.

Every country has poor programs, but when you're researching a country other than your own, it can be more difficult to figure out what is good and what isn't. I guess that's why I posted this.


Want to know what isn't hard to figure out?


Your attention span is bogus
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Hanson



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why doesn't Derrek come back here and ADMIT he was wrong? At least admit it.
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canukteacher wrote:
A Master's in Education does not replace a B.ED in any country. If you want to teach in the public school system (anywhere) you need the B.ED. (or the country's equivalent). You need the B.Ed to obtain your teacher's license. A master's gives you the qualification necessary to teach at the tertiary level............ie. universities and colleges.


CT


That's not true in the U.S., where a B.ED is not necessary. While it is true that many Masters degrees will not qualify you for teacher certification, there are numerous graduate programs specifically designed to provide teacher certification. The University of Hawaii has a Master of Education in Teaching for example.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canukteacher wrote:
A Master's in Education does not replace a B.ED in any country. If you want to teach in the public school system (anywhere) you need the B.ED. (or the country's equivalent). You need the B.Ed to obtain your teacher's license. A master's gives you the qualification necessary to teach at the tertiary level............ie. universities and colleges.



actually in the new zealand system most teachers don't hold BEds. They do an intial degree and then go back for a year to get their diploma in teaching. Don't know if it's the same for aussie. But new zealand trained teachers don't seem to have trouble getting jobs in other places. The United Kingdom was offering big bounses to new teachers to jump ship.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
Why doesn't Derrek come back here and ADMIT he was wrong? At least admit it.


Secretly, he's Korean.
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