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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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I have a student, Max, who has 100% ruined a class of mine.
He screams and yells at the top of his lungs, stands on his chair and throws things at me and has jabbed me with a mechanical pencil and drawn blood. From the moment he walks into the room he is throwing and screaming and stealing things from his classmates. He has also kicked me in the balls.
Before you flame me, there is a reason for this.
On on of the first days of classes Max spit on me and said "waygookin die" (he is 9). Fine. I asked him to leave class and he refused, crawling under his desk. Enraged, I went to my director and told him what was happening. My director, in front of my class, yelled at me. Apparently Max is an orphan. Mr. Kim just kept saying "he has no mother, understand? Understand?"... |
I would drop off Max at Mr. Kim's office and explain that he is now his problem and he won't be permitted to return to your class until he apologises for his behavior. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I'd never let it get this far..if a kid was such an absolute terror that there was no possible way of controlling them with the resources I have available, then they wouldn't belong in my class, and I'd quit before I'd let a director humiliate me like that. It's not fair to you, it's not fair to other students in the class, and it's not fair to the problem student to keep him there.
As far as quitting or threatening to quit goes, I know it's not the way it ought to be, but unfortunately it is the way it is. As someone who wants to do their job seriously here, you really have to a strong backbone sometimes. |
I'd say quitting your job would be a little bit much. Just quit that particular class. Tell your boss that until the little turd is dealt with, you'll be quietly relaxing in the teacher's room during the period. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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tell your boss he is a moron
tell your boss demon child will not be one of your students
tell your idiot boss you dont care if the little bastard is an orphan that doesnt mean he gets to behave like a freaking animal.
tell your boss that you wont teach that brat and any time the kid is in your class go out and sit in the directors office. |
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Cherry Ripe
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: Difficult Child |
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What gets me about these situations is how much time and energy we devote to the one 'difficult' kid, when in we could be focusing on the kids who always do the right thing. I really hate that.
I like the idea of a 'baby chair'. The only problem is that if the difficult kid is an attention seeker then you may find him wanting to go to the chair - unless the chair is outside the classroom.
I get kids to put their hand on their heads or to clap 3 times etc. when I want the whole class's attention.
BTW I have seen humiliation work to great effect in the classroom. The point is once the student turns around and starts doing the right thing - praise him alot. Then he'll see the connection between appropriate behavior and praise. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| From this Max took what he ought to have taken. He has immunity in class. He may do whatever he wants, including ignoring my punishments (regardless how small or large they may be) and has escalated beyond control. He knows that I am not allowed to enforce a punishment. |
God. That's horrible. I have a kid like that a bit. Not as bad. But the problem is his mother is the director. At least she knows the kid is a problem and I've seen her throw him into class when he takes a hissy fit and runs away. Once he tried to brain a little girl with a chair.
A couple times I've tried to kick him out but he doesn't move. So what I do is I remove the rest of the class. I take all the other students to another empty classroom and we continue. The hissy fit boy eventually finds us and stands at the door and demands his hissy fit attention but we ignore him and continue with the class.
Lately I just laugh in his face when he takes a tantrum. It's really comical, actually. He does this freaky mad breathing thing.
Some kids are just bad and no amount of class room psychology is going to make up for years of mental problems. My job isn't it waste half the class making up for bad parenting and a chemical imbalance. My job is to bring good value to the other paying clients. Some kids are cancer and need to be cut out so you can focus your attention on the kids who want to learn. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all your help! Luckily I only see that class once a week but I still dread going to that class...
Speaking of sons... one of the kids partners in crime is the supervisors son (she is the directors saister in law). He comes to the staff room all the time and is a little angel, but get him in my class and hes egging on the little devil!
BJWD, youve given me incentive to do something about this QUICK!
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kick him out of class and lock the door, and get back to teaching. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| I've found a Cat of 9 tails followed by soju poured over the cuts to be quite effective. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
I'd never let it get this far..if a kid was such an absolute terror that there was no possible way of controlling them with the resources I have available, then they wouldn't belong in my class, and I'd quit before I'd let a director humiliate me like that. It's not fair to you, it's not fair to other students in the class, and it's not fair to the problem student to keep him there.
As far as quitting or threatening to quit goes, I know it's not the way it ought to be, but unfortunately it is the way it is. As someone who wants to do their job seriously here, you really have to a strong backbone sometimes. |
I'd say quitting your job would be a little bit much. Just quit that particular class. Tell your boss that until the little turd is dealt with, you'll be quietly relaxing in the teacher's room during the period. |
Well, quitting seems to be the only way to go. This is a really bad gig. The hours change at random, the kids (almost all) are utterly horrible and the books require me to have them repeat "I like pizza, yummy yummy" for 45 minutes. I am not allowed to deviate from the curriculum. I have never been in such an absurd position. In the end, I just can't allow myself to be treated like an unwanted animal for a mere 2,000$ monthly salary.
I am going to try for the letter of release and do it properly. It should be interesting. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Only do it properly if you have the backup cash.
But yeah it sounds bad.
Good luck and tell us how it turns out. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Is it a pattern for English school supervisors' children to be ��������'s?
First the director's son at Mindmetoo's school, then the supervisor's son at Kimbelina's school, and now let me tell you about the director's son at my school.
The director's son is now in middle school. The director has put the class on one of those silly idiotic conversation textbooks because they know all the grammatical rules. This has gone to the director's son's head. He interrupted the class with smart aleck remarks on the average of once every thirty seconds.
I seriously doubted that the students in that class knew everything. So I wrote up a grammar exam to see if they did. Sure enough, I found many serious gaps.
So I wrote a note to the director, telling her about the grammar exam, and telling her that I intended to ditch the silly idiotic conversation textbook and proceed with grammar instruction.
The next day, the director told me that none of the middle school students wanted to be in my class, and that I would teach another elementary school class at that time.
This has just got to be the nicest punishment since Oliver Twist. |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Is it a pattern for English school supervisors' children to be ��������'s?
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Yes.
As they say, like father like son. |
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