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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: Schapelle Corby gets 20 years... |
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... for a few handfulls of weed. Guilty or not, where's the logic in that sentence?
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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While I agree the sentence is cruel, we must remember that she knew the law was harsh before commiting the crime. I have little sympathy for people who go to countries which play host to a strict legal systems, and then flagrantly violate the host's laws and moan about heavy sentences they receive after the fact. If you want to some weed don't go to Indonesia. Very simple. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Schapelle Corby gets 20 years... |
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A few handfuls? I thought she was caught with 4 kilos.... |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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eh. the issue was whether she brought it, or if it was planted in her luggage after she checked it.
if she did the crime, then the sentence is fair. but i think westerners were pissed b/c of a lack of "due process" as we see it |
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Dispatched
Joined: 08 May 2004
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I read that she admitted to the customs official that the weed was hers... kinda hard to take that back isn't it?
"ya know, at the time I thought it was mine but after spending a little time in jail I'm now positive it wasn't, my bad" |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I saw, like, a thirty-second clip about this story a week or so ago in the US . . . and except for a few racist jabs by our media (about the backward Asian people) there was no commotion.
Did it get any more airtime in Australia or SK?
Surprised it wasn't more like the Michael Faye (sp?) thing ten years ago. |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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It's been all over the media here in Australia since she was taken in.
I don't remember anywhere reading she admitted it was hers.
How can 20 years for weed be considered fair? Yes, it's their system, but that sentence far outweighs the nature of the crime. Whether she was a trafficker or a mule makes no difference. It's guilt by association in this case. If she did it, she has to be prepared to cop it through her own choice, but if she was a mule... well put yourself in that situation for a moment and consider. It has happened before.
Some facts of the case that give me the creeps; there was no fingerprinting of the bags to determine who had handled the dope; there was no investigation into possible links with qantas baggage handlers trafficking through Sydney airport at the time she was arrested. There was no possibility of justice in this case. The judge gets a commendation for every westerner he sends down. About 500 guilty drug verdicts at last count, 0 not guilty verdicts. Not one. What a fucken hero. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Best of luck with the tourist industry and Australian foreign investment, Indonesia.
If I went out of the country for a holiday, I'd go somewhere civilized, such as Japan. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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skinhead wrote: |
Some facts of the case that give me the creeps; there was no fingerprinting of the bags to determine who had handled the dope; there was no investigation into possible links with qantas baggage handlers trafficking through Sydney airport at the time she was arrested. There was no possibility of justice in this case. The judge gets a commendation for every westerner he sends down. About 500 guilty drug verdicts at last count, 0 not guilty verdicts. Not one. What a *beep* hero. |
I'd quote your sig on that one.
For the next 20 years, Indonesia will only be good for it's cheap sweatshops ... until they raise their jabbering justice system to Western standards. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
skinhead wrote: |
Some facts of the case that give me the creeps; there was no fingerprinting of the bags to determine who had handled the dope; there was no investigation into possible links with qantas baggage handlers trafficking through Sydney airport at the time she was arrested. There was no possibility of justice in this case. The judge gets a commendation for every westerner he sends down. About 500 guilty drug verdicts at last count, 0 not guilty verdicts. Not one. What a *beep* hero. |
I'd quote your sig on that one.
For the next 20 years, Indonesia will only be good for it's cheap sweatshops ... until they raise their jabbering justice system to Western standards. |
Actually, if you look at the facts of the case as they pertain to Indonesian law (which does provide the assumption of innocence before guilt), the defense offered mainly circumstantial evidence and through due process, the judges had little option but to convict. There is a good article here http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Judges-had-little-choice/2005/05/27/1117129879421.html in the SMH, in which Australia's top expert on Indonesian justice confirms this. To my mind, the real fault lies with poor security in Australian airports. I believe she is innocent and the victim of someone else's wrongdoing, but there was little conclusive proof to show this in the end. Linton Sirat, cheif judge on the case noted the handling of the case by Balinese Police to be suspect, but she was still found with 4 kgs of dope in her bags. I fully believe she would have been found guilty in an Australian court if the tables were reversed. Your comments regarding Indonesia being good only for its sweatshops underline the fact that there has been an enormous amount of hyperbole bordering on racism (but I wouldn't go that far) twisted around this case. The best chance for justice now stands with an appeal or a prisoner exchange. Lets hope she gets it. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Any system that often hands down death sentences for trafficking marijuana is a joke. If anyone thinks that outsiders should respect laws like this and keep their noses out of it, then I guess no one should ever be allowed to gripe about what goes on in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and the like. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Apple Scruff wrote: |
Any system that often hands down death sentences for trafficking marijuana is a joke. If anyone thinks that outsiders should respect laws like this and keep their noses out of it, then I guess no one should ever be allowed to gripe about what goes on in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and the like. |
Indonesia's system may be lacking in certain areas, but to compare it to Saudi or Zim is a long stretch. Neither of the aforementioned adhere to basic rules of evidence and are beholden to political or religious pressure. Also, sentencing needs to be examined seperately to the process and rules under which the system operates as a fair trial may result in an unfair sentence. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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I wrote this in the other place but the same applies here..
I actually knew of Corby...we hung in the same circles on the Gold Coast back in the day and she was a big pot smoker......
I think she was guilty but the media in Australia whipped it up...but as Hinch said, if it was a 50y.o. balding man, nobody would give a toss, it is just because it is her...
Anyway, by the looks of it, while the sentance is harsh, 20 years seems pretty good...
What i want to know is how the *beep* didn't she know she had 4 extra kilos in her body board bag...I carried one of these around and they only weigh about 5-7 kilos....plus she would have dead-set felt it....
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why was she carrying weed into Bali??? Is the weed there crap or something??? |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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just because wrote: |
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why was she carrying weed into Bali??? Is the weed there crap or something??? |
The 'coals to Newcastle' defense. The SMH carried an article which seemed at odds with this, a few days ago. Basically, Indonesian weed is crap, grown outdoors (who does that anymore?) in East Java and Aceh (where commercial crops finance both Army and insurgent activity) and has little THC. The article quoted expats as saying that besides this local gear and some Nepalese hash, hydro did find its way into Bali from time to time. Moreover, the good stuff cost around the same as it did in Australia, so someone had to be making runs, albeit infrequnetly. That aside, I think the Hinch argument was pure crap and not the only sensational claim he has made recently in order to boost his own ratings. |
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funplanet

Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Location: The new Bucheon!
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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I read somewhere, correct me if I am wrong, that she stated she did not lock her bag because she did not feel it necessary....
now, if that is true then she is truly stupid...WTF travels to a country with draconian laws and room for abuse and not lock their luggage???? rule number one with Mr. Funplanet...I NEVER EVEN CHECK luggage when going to Indo or Malay....it's stupid because these things do happen (baggage handlers sneaking in contraband)...
at the least she is guilty of being STUPID!! |
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