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gatohorrible
Joined: 02 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Wow thank you other hand. A person who shows thought and wants to discuss something, and had something to say unlike some other less brainy mortals on here who seem to think this is a bar.
Well you make some good points. They are ones I share to a point as well. But we dont want them over here in Britain . Keep them in Korea. Thye are a rich country who believe in looking after their own , so let them do it- they 've no reason to move here.They will not change through learning English , nor exposure to others cultures, unless they are born in another country. Everyone who's met the korean students abroad or the korean communities know they dont mix, and they dont want to mix.
And then those children have to suffer the kyopo crap when they return to the motherland.
Why are you really teaching there?
And I mean REALLY?? |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:53 am Post subject: |
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gatohorrible wrote: |
...A person who shows thought and wants to discuss something... |
I believe that may be an acheivable goal for you some day. It may lead you to be less of a racist. |
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gatohorrible
Joined: 02 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:58 am Post subject: |
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thanks ajjossi |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:04 am Post subject: |
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No problem Mr. Lott. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans are sure different. I remember reading an article in the newspapers a while back about some Koreans who were taken to Mexico as indentured servants. They had to work in menial jobs to support themselves, and at the time (this was about 100 yrs ago) conditions were pretty rough. A lot of them intermarried with the locals, but the funny thing about it is that their offspring are still Korean in their outlooks. They might not look so Korean now, and have rounder eyes and darker skins, but when they all get to-gether they put on hanbos, and eat kimchee. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Len 8: The fact that some of these Korean-Mexicans intermarried with locals would, I think, demonstrate that they didn't have that much trouble with assimilation. As for the hanbos and kimchee, my Scottish grandparents came to Canada roughly 90 years ago, but their chidren occasionally put on the kilts and throw back the Glenfiddich at family gatherings(actually, the Glenfiddich is more of a daily staple than a quaint custom for them).
Gato: Thanks for the compliments. In response to your question, I came here for my own financial enrichment, following a decidedly unspectacular employment history that I'll save for the "worst jobs you've ever had" thread. No, my goal in taking the job was neither to soak up Korean culture, nor to make this society more open and tolerant. My comments about helping Koreans to better appreciate the world were made in the context of your saying that teaching English here is merely facilitating the spread of racist ideas. Obviously, I am more optimistic about Korean assimilation than you are. |
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lpcool
Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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gatohorrible wrote: |
What matters is the 'discourse'. It starts at home and in school; its an exclusive discourse, in that it 'excludes' non members.
kind of like the KKK or Nazi germany, or Terreblanche's lot in South Africa were , in that it is based on the 'idea' not truth, that blood lines are the necessary condition for memebership.
It is a deeply anti- Christian, anti-life world view that should be smashed as much as Nazism, the KKK or the NP in South Africa. Or the national front in france, or the BNP in Britain.
In Korea because you don't see many black shirted goose steppers or skinheads, many foreign ESL teachers seem to think it is not there. Last year should be a warning to you.
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Right on, Gato. You're absolutely right in this "pure blood" nonsense as being based on "idea, not truth". I'd even go further and say that it's based on "lies" and not truths.
You're also right in that it needs to be smashed - true that the Koreans' unquestioning beliefs about their one-peoplehood seems innocuous enough because it hasn't been used in justifying invading other nations or for "ethnic cleansing". But if you're a "foreign worker" from "less developed countries" living in Korea, you've already been victimized because of these insane Nazi-like ideas - it's not because the lies themselves are benign that more vices haven't followed, it's just that Korea so far had been too poor and disorganized to commit an act of horror on a massive scale in the name of "one people". If this goes unchecked, horrors will follow. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Run Forrest Run wrote: |
Later my friend told me something he said once to me back in Canada, "Koreans can be narrow-minded." Which shows that not all Koreans are the same, even in the same family.
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Yup, people are people.
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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gatohorrible wrote: |
Persoanlly I d rather eat my own *beep* than help KKKoreans get economically stronger.
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lpcool
Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:02 am Post subject: |
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IconsFanatic wrote: |
Homogenous Korea?
Hahahhahah!
The Busan-Gwangju rivalry is just one example of many extremely bitter regional divisions.
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Ummm. You seem to have confused the issue here: the issue was never whether Korea was politically in harmony, but why Koreans firmly believe that they're ethnically a homogenous nation.
Hahahahahahah! |
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HardyandTiny

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Things are changing. I have met Koreans who do not know how to use the in-floor squat toilet. I'm sure not all of them still believe that the HAN is a race, but it would be hard to get them to tell you that in front of some other Koreans. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:06 am Post subject: |
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lpcool wrote: |
Ummm. You seem to have confused the issue here: the issue was never whether Korea was politically in harmony, but why Koreans firmly believe that they're ethnically a homogenous nation.
Hahahahahahah! |
Given that they were completely isolated of 400 of the last 500 years, that's 15 generations in a completely closed society. In the last 100 years, there hasn't been that much of "outside genetic material" introduced into Korea.
Even before Korea completely sealed the borders with the outside world, they were pretty much a closed society. We're talking hundreds of generations in a closed society.
Technically, nearly all Korean citizens are more genetically related than any species of canine that is considered a pure bred. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Unlike many western countries. Nationalism has been around in Korea for about 1500 years, in Japan and Vietnam for 1000 years and in Han China for 2000+ years. On top of that, none of these countries have had wide spread immigration into their respective countries. This is a BIG reason why many Koreans say they are one people. This notion of 'one people' is more true in Asia than in other parts of the world. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer and Gord:
You may very well be correct about the ethnic homogenity of Korea over the last few hundred years. I think the question, though, is why some Koreans consider to be important, ie. why racial purity is such a point of pride for them. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Was talking to a Korean school teacher about this, and she said a lot of it is pride. They the Koreans she said look down on the Japanese because they had to let other races into the country to improve their genetic stock so to speak. The original Japanese were kind of small and ugly, so their leaders encouraged immigrants so their race could improve. The Koreans never had to do this, because they didn't need to. They have some pretty strong terms for the pure not so good looking Japanese, and they aren't too complimentary.
Maybe they are hanging on to the supposed myth of Korean homogenity and purity (as some Korean intelectuals have called it) because it sets them apart, and gives them a sense of superiority over the rest of the people in this part of the world. |
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