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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:29 am    Post subject: taking private students Reply with quote

Hello, all-

As I've written here before, I'll be studying in Sogang's language program for 3 months this summer, 4 hours a day. I got a graduate fellowship for study but it's not a whole lot of money, so I'll need to be frugal about where I live, my food and entertainment choices, etc.

I've been talking with Korean friends who are studying English in the U.S., and all of them say, "Oh, you'll only be studying 4 hours a day, you'll be really bored, you should take some private students to make some extra money." I mention that this would appear to be illegal and they say it's not a big deal.

What do people here think? I wouldn't want to have too many students because I will need time to study, and I want time to enjoy Korea. But on the other hand, having some extra spending money or traveling money would be nice. When I was studying in China a friend quit her very part-time job at a Beijing kindergarten, and I stepped in to teach only 4 hours a week. My entire two week trip to southern China was funded by the $450 I made doing this little gig!

BUT I don't want to do anything that would make the authorities unhappy with me. Any tips on how to go about doing this? Or: are there any ways to make extra money that would be legal (teaching on Sogang's campus, for example)?

Thanks!
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turtlepi1



Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twisted Evil If you weren't posting on a message board asking I would tell you to go for it, but you already proved you don't have the number one skill to be successful with privates...(KEEPING YOUR MOUTH SHUT ALWAYS!!!) Smile

(just kidding mostly...)

You would be breaking the law. Jaywalking is also breaking the law. Mind you they won't deport you for jaywalking. Someone will come along and tell you that Koreans will get paid to report you. Maybe true, maybe not, but it is the "whitey" that isn't your friend. All cuddly with you and then you have a falling out like grotto and joe, and the next thing you are getting deported. (they had the falling out, but no privates or deportation in their case. Same thing with some pot smoking hippy here..it was the foreigner that ratted him out) Smile

ANYWAY...I believe the quote goes something like...

"Nobody here does privates! Privates are illegal"
Or something of the sort. Rolling Eyes


As for doing it legally at the university I think getting a part time work/student visa is a pain and requires a certain amount to time at the college first. Someone will be along to fill in that blank for you. (or to correct me if I am wrong)
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I realized the irony of posting asking for advice to do something legally questionable as I was posting. I certainly didn't tell anyone that I was teaching privately when I was in China. I know the number one rule is to keep one's mouth shut! But I figured that's since I'm not using my real name here....

Anyway, I definitely don't want to risk being deported! Just wondering if there was any safe way to make a little extra money...I feel very fortunate to have gotten a fellowship to study, but just a little concerned that it won't go far enough...
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about the student visa, but I suspect the rules are the same as those people on the teaching visa. If you get caught they WILL deport you, simple as that.

I work at the airport and see people in handcuffs being shepherded out of the country every day. It does happen.
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, what do you do at the airport, SJ?
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Gideon



Joined: 24 Feb 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: privates Reply with quote

Just do it... who cares.. if its a question of ethics.. well thats up for u to decide.. but just be carefull... and yes.. keep you mouth shut about it..

cheers.. Smile
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to check with an official source. I am under the impression that students are allowed to do privates. And yea, you may want a couple of classes to keep you entertaining or give you a little bit of comfort money. I wouldn't advise you to go overboard with it, though, if your studies are more important to you.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apple Scruff wrote:
Out of curiosity, what do you do at the airport, SJ?


You know those guys who push the trolleys around?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For someone on a graduate fellowship that he or she finds very valuable, teaching privates means putting that on the line for a bit of extra cash.

You might not get caught. If you do, you get deported and its bye bye fellowship program.

Up to you to weigh the risk vs the reward.
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're right...my studies are much more important to me. I will be studying pretty hard so I don't think I'll get too bored. Zyzyfer, what official sources would you recommend checking? If there's a legal way for me to make some extra cash, I will do it. If not, it's not worth the risk to me.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I am under the impression that students are allowed to do privates.


Zyzyfer is right. Certain categories of students are allowed to teach privates. It may be restricted to Koreans or gyopos.

Contact Immigration.
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taobenli



Joined: 26 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...what about these writing/editing from home things (that I could just as easily do in the U.S.)? Like the one just posted on the job board by some company called Neungyule? Any one any of these sorts of jobs? How do they work?
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't be making any money doing privates.


Privates are illegal.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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writing/editing from home things


These are 'more legal' because you are not in direct competition with Koreans...well yes you are sort of but not really.

I would still recommend that you ask Immigration if it is legal for a student to make money editing. Student visas are different than the E-2 visas teachers get, so I doubt anyone on this board really knows what the rules are.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
Just wondering if there was any safe way to make a little extra money...


Yes, but first: WARNING: Korean Immigration Law (or more precisely what is said by different officials) is not stable and thus the following may be moot.

Despite (assuming law hasn't changed since January 2004) the nay-sayers, full-time students ARE allowed to seek and obtain LEGAL employment.

What kind of employment? A multitude of choices, I presume. However, I was only privvy to those seeking teaching gigs and working in the tech. industry.

How do I know this? I studied Korean full-time at a Korean university and hung about the main office and translated for many of the students. I never stuck around to get the details, but it was ALWAYS assured (by the main office to the international students) that it was possible and easily accomplished (save official papers, yaddy yadda yadda).

My univ. had several "contacts" (read: institutes that would hire out part-timers) so finding employment was easy.

Privates? Well, those occurred too. But again, at an institute.

What you are proposing, I assume, is still illegal. However, you asked about legal steps and I say that you can work legally. How is the question.


If you mosey about www.immigration.go.kr i am sure you'll find that international students can work X (I think up to 12-15 per week) hours per week. Maybe it's there, maybe it's not. Either way, let us know how it all works out.

!shoosh

Ryst
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