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| Who Killed Rafiq Hariri ??? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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 Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: Who Killed Rafiq Hariri ??? |
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Beirut's Great Mystery
Who Killed Rafiq Hariri? Here's TIME's inside story of the forces that led to the murder of the nation's most charismatic leader.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1066931,00.html
Lots of fingers pointing, accusations flying left, right & centre. UN investigation & still no definitive answers  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I answered 'other' because I have no evidence and am not in a position to know. I doubt many other people are either. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I answered 'other' because I have no evidence and am not in a position to know. I doubt many other people are either. |
I largely agree. For most of the world all we can really do is speculate. A lot of finger pointing, accusations flying wild.
At the same time, it's clear that Hariri's death & the swift "BLAME SYRIA" reaction from Washington warrants just a wee little bit of suspicion.
If Syria WAS behind it, perhaps someone can explain exactly how it proved to their benefit ???
QUI BONO ???
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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It backfired on them.
They thought they could scare Lebanon, but they failed. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| It backfired on them. They thought they could scare Lebanon, but they failed. |
Backfired on WHO ??? Who are "THEY" exactly ??? You have some kind of inside "crystal ball" knowledge the rest us aren't privy to ???
Please do tell. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Probably Syrian intel |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| all we can really do is speculate |
Really? I think one alternative is to wait for investigations to reveil hard evidence. Calling for speculation is just a way of asking people to air their prejudices. It tells nothing about the situation being speculated about.
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At the same time, it's clear that Hariri's death & the swift "BLAME SYRIA" reaction from Washington warrants just a wee little bit of suspicion.
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No it doesn't. The people of Lebanon reacted even before Washington did. And the French government was just as quick on the draw. Why leave them out of your suspicions?
You see what I mean? The discussion is about your agenda, not about what went on in Lebanon. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The discussion is about your agenda, not about what went on in Lebanon. |
Oh really ??? So, Hariri wasn't assassinated ??? That's news to the rest of us. What was all the fuss on Valentine's Day over then ??? A tupperware party ??? Right. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Lebanon blast kills anti-Syria journalist
BY MOHAMAD BAZZI
MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT
June 3, 2005
BEIRUT, Lebanon -- Samir Kassir was not afraid -- not when the head of Lebanese state security threatened him, not when his passport was confiscated, not even when intelligence agents tailed him around the clock for months.
In the late 1990s, when hardly anyone dared to publicly criticize Syria's military and political domination over Lebanon, Kassir was a lone voice of dissent writing in the pages of An-Nahar newspaper. He continued, despite constant threats and intimidation.
"They failed to have me fired from my newspaper," he told Newsday last month. "They failed to keep me from writing."
Samir Kassir was silenced Thursday, killed by a remote-controlled bomb planted underneath his car.
The killing of Kassir, a columnist for An-Nahar, highlighted Lebanon's tenuous state since thousands of Syrian troops withdrew in April, after 29 years of Damascus meddling with its smaller neighbor. Lebanon is in the midst of monthlong parliamentary elections, the first balloting in decades held without the shadow of civil war or Syrian domination.
Kassir was the most prominent figure killed in Lebanon since the Feb. 14 assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. That killing prompted international pressure and popular protests that led to the resignation of the Syrian-backed Lebanese prime minister and to the withdrawal of Syrian troops.
Opposition leaders quickly blamed Kassir's assassination on Syria and its allies in the Lebanese security services. Damascus denied any involvement, as it has in Hariri's killing.
"Samir Kassir was assassinated by the remnants of the security agencies that control the country," opposition leader Walid Jumblatt told Lebanese TV. He demanded the resignation of the Syrian-backed Lebanese president, Emile Lahoud.
"As long as the serpent's head is in Baabda, the assassinations will continue," Jumblatt said, referring to the presidential palace in the Beirut suburb of Baabda. If, as expected, the anti-Syrian opposition wins control of parliament when elections end on June 19, one of its main goals will be to oust Lahoud.
Lebanese officials vowed a full investigation into Kassir's killing and said they would seek help from a United Nations team that is probing Hariri's assassination. "Every time Lebanon takes a step forward, there are those who want to undermine and take it a step back," Prime Minister Najib Mikati told reporters.
Kassir, 45, also was a leader of the Democratic Left Movement, a small group that helped organize protests after Hariri's killing, and he taught political science at Beirut's Saint Joseph University. The soft-spoken, bearded Kassir often spent his nights at Beirut cafes with fellow writers.
Aside from being a fierce critic of Syria's actions in Lebanon, Kassir was a supporter of a nascent reform movement in Damascus. He met frequently with Syrian writers and intellectuals who are critical of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
"Samir was a great defender of freedom in the Arab world," said Omar Amiralay, a Syrian filmmaker and friend of Kassir's.
In his final column, which appeared last week on An-Nahar's front page, Kassir criticized Assad's regime for arresting dissidents and refusing to make reforms. "The Baathist regime in Syria is behaving the way it behaved in Lebanon, making blunder after blunder," he wrote. "The Baathists have not learned to accept opposing views."
Throughout his career, Kassir challenged authority. In 2000, the director of Lebanon's state security service, Gen. Jamil al-Sayeed, threatened him for writing articles that criticized the agency's treatment of anti-Syrian activists. The following year, security agents confiscated Kassir's Lebanese passport when he returned from a trip abroad. Officials also interrogated his neighbors, tapped his phones and trailed him for months.
Kassir viewed his personal experience with what he called the "Lebanese security regime" as part of a larger struggle. "It shows that we can prevail, we can move along even if we have all these pressures," he said last month. "The most important thing is that writers and intellectuals are the ones who helped reclaim freedom of speech in Lebanon."
Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. |
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-woleb0603,0,5652403.story?coll=ny-world-big-pix |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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False flag
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of another country other than your own.
This was considered acceptable provided one lowered the false flag and raised the national flag before engaging in battle. Auxiliary cruisers operated in such a fashion in both World Wars. In the most notable example, the German Kormoran raider surprised and sunk the Australian light cruiser HMAS Sydney in 1941, causing the greatest loss of life on an Australian ship ever.
Another example of a false flag operation was the 1954 Lavon Affair, when Egyptian Jews recruited by Mossad firebombed a post office building and United States Information Services libraries at consulates in Cairo and Alexandria in an attempt to discredit the Egytian government and disrupt British plans to withdraw from the Suez Canal.
When one of the bombs exploded prematurely, the Egyptian police captured one of the bombers and soon afterwards the rest of the agents. The Israeli Defense Minister Pinchas Lavon was eventually forced to resign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=false+flag+operations&spell=1 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Done 51 years ago.
If Israel is so good at that sort of thing then why can't they kill their own enemies? |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
It backfired on them.
They thought they could scare Lebanon, but they failed. |
As scary as it is to think, I agree with Joo Rip here. The article states that Syrian PM Assaud (Forget his name now) basically told Hariri to back off or there would be hell to pay. Hariri apparently took the threat seriously but refused to back down. The Syrian gov't on seemed to think that Hariri was a one man army so to speak.
That leads me to beleve that the Syrian secret service took out Hariri thinking that would quell the anti-Syria movement in Lebanon. Like Joo Rip says, the move backfired as Syria severely underestimated the Lebanese's love for their former PM. Instead of making the Lebanese subservient and docile it sparked an anger and resistance that had been brewing for years.
Now Syria is forced out of Lebanon due to their miscalculation. I don't think it's fair to think there was CIA involvement in this case. They didn't really have much to gain. Nobody could have had the foresight to see that Lebanon would have responded in this manner.
In fact, a CIA sanctioned hit would have been too risky. Should the hit fail and the CIA is exposed, they lose what little clout they have in the Middle East (except Israel) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Ya-ta Boy wrote:
The discussion is about your agenda, not about what went on in Lebanon.
Oh really ??? So, Hariri wasn't assassinated ??? That's news to the rest of us. What was all the fuss on Valentine's Day over then ??? A tupperware party ??? Right.
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You are just being silly now. Try to be serious.
If you are going to accuse someone of murder it is only fair to present hard evidence for that accusation. What evidence do you have? I am not asking you for your fantasies. I am not asking you for the conspiracy theory du jour. I am asking for evidence. Do you have any?
If you do have evidence, it would be fascinating to know how a hakwon teacher in Korea came across it. Also, I think you are honor bound to give that information to the Lebanese government.
If you don't have information, then you are seeking to libel someone. That means you have an agenda that has nothing to do with the assassination. IMO it would be honest of you to announce your agenda at the head of the first post: "I have no special knowledge about the assassination in Lebanon but I want to libel the reputation of X. Does anyone else want to play the game with me?" |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote:
The discussion is about your agenda, not about what went on in Lebanon.
Oh really ??? So, Hariri wasn't assassinated ??? That's news to the rest of us. What was all the fuss on Valentine's Day over then ??? A tupperware party ??? Right.
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You are just being silly now. Try to be serious.
If you are going to accuse someone of murder it is only fair to present hard evidence for that accusation. What evidence do you have? I am not asking you for your fantasies. I am not asking you for the conspiracy theory du jour. I am asking for evidence. Do you have any?
If you don't have information, then you are seeking to libel someone. That means you have an agenda that has nothing to do with the assassination. IMO it would be honest of you to announce your agenda at the head of the first post: "I have no special knowledge about the assassination in Lebanon but I want to libel the reputation of X. Does anyone else want to play the game with me?" |
 The only "agenda" i intended this discussion to have was to consider the possibilities & motives behind the recent high-profile political assassination ( in Lebanon ).
Who am i accusing ??? Who am i labelling ??? Did i accuse anyone ??? Am i accusing anyone now ??? Nope, don't think so. Unlike some ( your apparent sock buddy Joo, zombie Bush & the neocons ) i didn't realize i was.
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| It backfired on them. They thought they could scare Lebanon, but they failed. |
Backfired on WHO ??? Who are "THEY" exactly ??? You have some kind of inside "crystal ball" knowledge the rest us aren't privy to ???
Please do tell. |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Probably Syrian intel |
You're right im saying i don't have evidence. Whether Syria, Mossad, the CIA, or the duplicitous cheese cake people from outer space, it's ALL speculation & conjecture.
Indeed, in all reasonable quarters at least, the jury's still out.
Now. Do you care to direct some of your criticism in Joo's direction, or is this only reserved for a special chosen few ??? Hmmmmm ... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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igotthisguitar wrote on:
Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:33 am Post subject:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=440951&highlight=#440951
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:15 am Post subject:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=13408&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=195
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>. I live like just a couple blocks from that bar. While i can't say i have any intention of dropping in, the whole history of the swastika thing is a matter too many ppl are rather ignorant of.
Fact is, it's a cool ancient Aryan symbol; one which the Nazi/Zionist cabal usurped & perversely propagated. Tragedy |
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:30 am Post subject:
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The thing about it i find most sinister is how the term "anti" semit-ISM is presumably self evident. Has anyone ever researched this one ??? The goods definately are out there.
Fact is this term not only has a VERYinteresting history, but is also perpetually exploited for the cheapest of political gain in what can easily be interpreted as part of the campaign to further establish global Zion-ISM as essentially the planet's 4th Reich.
Don't let them fool you. |
Interest in Larouche , Zundal and 9-11 conspiracy theories.
what agenda does Igotthisguitar have? The same agenda as the American Free Press.
Any questions?
Case closed. |
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