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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:48 pm    Post subject: so what's the outcome??? Reply with quote

I'm just wondering now whats the outcome in regards to the transcript issue?
I know this would affect the summer hiring season.

And has anyone have any first-hand knowledge and stuff regarding the illegal foreign teachers' crackdown yet?

I just want to know how things are transpiring at the moment.

Though, I know the moment is young Wink
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daejon immigration wants sealed transcripts. Been in Korea awhile and never been asked for those. My Canadian Uni said there's been lots of requests. The school says it's difficult to find a foreign teacher because of the crackdown.

I talked to a recruiter in Ulsan and she said the crackdown passed through there a couple of months ago, making its rounds.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know about immigration crackdowns are rumors which mean nothing really.

But the sealed transcript requirement is very real. I've just been asked for it for the 1st time after 4 previous E-2 visa's were granted without one.
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fidel



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the crackdown pass through my burb yesterday, looked nasty, best to stay clear!
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fidel wrote:
I saw the crackdown pass through my burb yesterday, looked nasty, best to stay clear!


What, pray tell, did it look like?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transcrit issue is quite real (and a good step I may add).

Crackdown is also real and eamo, just because you don't see it in front of you it does not mean it does not exist or is a rumor. Wink They came to my school once already.

As for fidel saying he 'saw' the crackdown and that it looked 'nasty' either he was attempting to be funny or he had one too many one night and suffered an hallucination! Laughing

This new campaign by immigration is quite real and if the government follows through it will become more intense and involve other levels of checks as well.

I suppose this has been a long time coming as too many schools hire just anyone and as many westerners come here under false pretenses.
They just have to try and fix the problem from both ends and I hope they succeed as in the long run this will be good for everyone.
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fidel



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No-one's attempting anything thank you very much Homer.

As for what it looked like, it was horrendous I'll be having nightmares for weeks to come. I'm too traumatised to talk about it!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that fidel...get some meds to help with the night terrors? Laughing
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
fidel wrote:
I saw the crackdown pass through my burb yesterday, looked nasty, best to stay clear!


What, pray tell, did it look like?


I heard it looks like that black growling monster animation that came out of the floors when bad people like Carl and Willie Lopez die in Ghost.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hoping for a Jabberwocky, but that's cool too.
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harryh



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: Transcripts.
What happens if a person applies for a postion through a recruiter?

Scenario: Let's say, a teacher has ordered transcripts from their University, and manages to arrange for them to be sent to the relevant Immigration office. But, 'unfortunately' Shocked when the transcripts have 'finally' arrived at their destination (take into consideration the time taken by the University to organise everything and send them, and for immigration to receive them) the recruiter has given the job to another teacher, as the position had to be filled 'ASAP'. As has happened to me before.

The teacher is unhappy, but thinks "Oh well, I've seen another job in another part of the country. I'll apply for that."

The teacher is then requested to provide 'sealed' transcripts to a different immigration office. Would the teacher have to go through the whole process of obtaining more transcripts to send?

It's a long process, and a frustrating one I think. Especially, when one has an original degree already here in korea with original transcripts (unsealed, as immigration opened mine in 2002) and a covering letter from the registrar at my University.
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people that are supporting this
- The media
- The teachers (the long-timers mostly)
- Parents (to a small extent), I say that because yes they do care where their money is going.


The people bothered by this
- Hogwon owners
- Recruiters

I'm sorry to say, but alot of teachers going to teach at institutes tend to leave in mid-contract in search for better positions. But for some, this new regulation would stop that and force them to endure such bad conditions.
I know alot of people say, you will earn enough money to get them for your next job. But alot of people go through so much that they don't want to wait that long and some pull the infamous "mid-night runs".
This new regulation won't make life better, conditions will stay the same, it is just less people will come. You might think of that as a good thing, but overall, it is not as good as you think.
And not to mention that alot more people will start doing privates. This will drive the price down and as someone has mentioned, imm. is setting up dummy companies to lure people to do them.

Again, my suggestion would be to open the flood gates and let experience weed out the good teachers from the bad.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With sincerest apologies to Lewis Carol

Quote:
The Crackdown

"Beware the Crackdown, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the security guard, and shun
The frumious private class!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the bueracratic foe he sought --
So rested he by the Paris Baugette,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Crackdown, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey villas,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.


Any man who brings me the head of the Crackdown will recieve my first born daughter. Or maybe a beverage of your choice.


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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Again, my suggestion would be to open the flood gates and let experience weed out the good teachers from the bad.


Interesting but that is not a feasable or realistic idea. Regulation exists in most fields of work. It should also exists in ESL teaching here.

Upping the criteria for visas is a good first step. It does need to be followed up by other reforms/laws to be truly effective however.

The quesion of pvt lessons is another place to look. They could theoretically make those legal by asking teachers to register these lessons. This would mean paying tax on the income. It would also be necessary to implement some sort of regulatory office that ensures that those teaching privates have the qualifications to do so. This would not eliminate the cowboys doing moonlight teaching but it would limit their numbers and make privates an available option for legal teachers.
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Gollum



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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what exactly is the deal with the sealed transcripts?

Do you have to send them directly to the immigration office, or can you have a stash of sealed ones you purchase and keep at home for future jobs?
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