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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:28 am Post subject: |
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paperbag princess wrote: |
how scary is it driving a scooter in seoul? i've been thinking about it. i drove a car here the other day and it was fine. |
There are trade-offs.
Koreans seem to be looking for scooters more often than people expect them back home. Many Koreans also, however, try to bully you off of the road even though they do see you.
Did you drive a scooter or motorcycle back home? I have been driving them for over 8 years now. Experience is important.
You have to drive slightly OFFENSIVELY to survive, in my opinion. A horn is an essential part to staying alive. I use it a lot to alert people when they obviously don't see me. Watch out for things like Taxi doors that swing open as you approach.
Yesterday I was sitting at a stop light, and an ajosshi in an SUV tapped the back of my scooter with his bumper. I don't know if he fell asleep or what. I got up, looked around, and gave him an angry face that must have scared the $*$*#@ out of him. He apologized 20 times in about 8 seconds... bowing and raising his hands quickly. It was almost comical, but I was really pissed off. |
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yupkime

Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere far away from Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Derrick is spot on.
With a little common sense and some aggressiveness, driving a scooter has never been a problem for me either. Always wear bright clothes and shoulder check.
The drivers are generally much more aware of their surroundings (at least compared to BC where people drive like dazed morons) and as long as you don't do anything silly you should be alright.
One caveat would be driving in the rain, especially after a long spell of dry weather as all the oil and fluids that leak out during the dry week mix with the water and creates some slippery spots.
But in the end it is worth it. Saving money and time is always a plus.
Good luck and be careful!! |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: |
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yupkime wrote: |
Derrick is spot on.
With a little common sense and some aggressiveness, driving a scooter has never been a problem for me either. Always wear bright clothes and shoulder check.
The drivers are generally much more aware of their surroundings (at least compared to BC where people drive like dazed morons) and as long as you don't do anything silly you should be alright.
One caveat would be driving in the rain, especially after a long spell of dry weather as all the oil and fluids that leak out during the dry week mix with the water and creates some slippery spots.
But in the end it is worth it. Saving money and time is always a plus.
Good luck and be careful!! |
You might add "parking benefits" to those pluses.
As in, I've never, ever, ever, ever:
-- had a major problem parking anywhere,
-- spent more than a few seconds parking,
-- paid for parking, or
-- been given a parking ticket. |
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dg611
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: why complain |
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I don't understand all the hullabaloo over the rise in taxi prices...You should try driving a car!! then you'll feel the pinch....diesel prices have risen more than 200% since 2000. Besides, the taxi fares in Korea are unnaturally low to begin with...the only reason they can keep it so low is because the taxis all run on LPG which is less half of the regular gas prices. Solution: take the bus, take the subway, buy a scooter (still gotta buy gas), buy a bike, hitchhike (it can be done), or walk.
Think about how much the ride would cost you back home. Maybe that will ease the pain of the measly increase.
Cheers |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Think about how much the ride would cost you back home. Maybe that will ease the pain of the measly increase.
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Right on target there dg....bullseye.  |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Location: <Write something dumb here>
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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OMG. I guess this explains why my taxi last night charged me more than what the meter said. I had a little fit at him and was acting a bit of a baby over it - the fare was 3500 and he only have me back 700 from a 5000 note.
But shouldn't there be something POSTED IN THE CAB that says fares went up? Or perhaps change the meters to correctly reflect the new prices???? Or do we just have to accept the driver's word that a 3500 won ride now costs 4300???? |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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platt...the change should appear on the meter as it will start at a higher base fee. It will also probably go up faster then before. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Homer wrote: |
platt...the change should appear on the meter as it will start at a higher base fee. It will also probably go up faster then before. |
I had a discussion about this with a taxi driver last night. His read on the situation was that while independent operators generally favored it, many company taxi drivers were actually against the increase. |
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plattwaz
Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Location: <Write something dumb here>
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Hmm. So basically, whatever the meter reads, the driver can choose or choose not to charge you 20% more than the fare displayed? Am I understanding that correctly? Cause that seems pretty mucked up....
I dunno, like I said, my driver just argued with me and refused to give me the correct change from what I gave him versus the meter display.
(Mind you, I also still assume he was a #$%&&%#@ cabbie...he got in TWO fights with other drivers, one time we actually stopped and a man driving a truck got out and they started a screaming match on the road, because my cabbie thought the guy tried to cut him off. The other "fight" was actually just a childish game of "you cut in front of me so I'll cut in front of you" - but it got out of control and I thought I was about to be roadkill).
So needless to say I was FURIOUS having to pay him a penny more than what the meter said.
But I still can't believe that whoever regulates taxi fares would just allow fares to go up without fixing the meters? Like, for first time tourist here, THAT's a great way to give ppl a good opinion of the country.... |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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plattwaz wrote: |
But shouldn't there be something POSTED IN THE CAB that says fares went up? Or perhaps change the meters to correctly reflect the new prices???? Or do we just have to accept the driver's word that a 3500 won ride now costs 4300???? |
I rode in four Seoul taxis today, and all four of them had the new chart hanging next to the driver.
The meters are meant to be tamper proof, and that's why most meters haven't been changed over yet. They have to be taken to an authorized centre before they can be updated with the new pricing. Last time Incheon had a price increase, everyone was changed over within a few days. |
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Flossie

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Up to my nose in the sweet summer smells of sewerage in Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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There are 500,000 cabbies in Korea. Anyone know how many are in Seoul? That changeover could take a couple more days than they expected methinks. |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Good lord! If there's one thing I CAN'T complain about in Korea, it's the cheap, [relatively] clean, speedy, [generally] friendly taxis! Get a f**king clue, mayte! |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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my point is that a 20% raise is alot, especially when you compare that to how much other people make, (i.e people who work for pizza hut, b.k, mcd's make something like 3,000/hour).
why don't we get a 20% raise to compensate for rising gas prices? oh, wait, we don't count, that's why. it's not like we contribute heavily to the korean economy or anything like that. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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paperbag princess wrote: |
my point is that a 20% raise is alot, especially when you compare that to how much other people make, (i.e people who work for pizza hut, b.k, mcd's make something like 3,000/hour).
why don't we get a 20% raise to compensate for rising gas prices? oh, wait, we don't count, that's why. it's not like we contribute heavily to the korean economy or anything like that. |
So taxi prices have gone up 17% since 2000. In 2000, the average wage of a teaching job in Korea was 1.5 or lower, and has increased at least 33%. Technically, our raises are double theirs. Should we give some of the money back, or let them raise the prices more to make it fair? |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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paperbag princess wrote: |
my point is that a 20% raise is alot, especially when you compare that to how much other people make, (i.e people who work for pizza hut, b.k, mcd's make something like 3,000/hour).
why don't we get a 20% raise to compensate for rising gas prices? oh, wait, we don't count, that's why. it's not like we contribute heavily to the korean economy or anything like that. |
Over 3 years or so (since the last rise) 20% is not that much.
Gas (LPG, gasoline or city gas? - I assume LPG/gasoline) prices do not consitute that much of a personal budget but are probably more than 60% of an independent cabbie's costs. |
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