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new taxi fares SUCK.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why don't we get a 20% raise to compensate for rising gas prices?


What?

Where?

How?

This has to be a revolutionary economic theory....perhaps it will be applied in some country some day.... Laughing
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
my point is that a 20% raise is alot, especially when you compare that to how much other people make, (i.e people who work for pizza hut, b.k, mcd's make something like 3,000/hour).

why don't we get a 20% raise to compensate for rising gas prices? oh, wait, we don't count, that's why. it's not like we contribute heavily to the korean economy or anything like that.


If you spent 100% of your wages on taxi fares then I could see your point.

Until that happens, please look up the word "inflation" in the dictionary and realise this increase is not just one more example of the big bad world being out to get you.
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tomwaits



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
Location: PC Bong

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do'nt get the complaining. Add this to the "cheapest waygook" thread.

A cab costs only pennies more than a copy of the Herald-Tribune, Where else is that true. And tipping is not expected.

If fares TRIPLED I could see moaning---but even then they would only be in line with other countries.

God almighty what do people expect? I guess they wire cash home and look at things from the perspective of someone earning 700 thou a month.

STAY HOME if you are going to be like this. Have a bit of dignity...
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cost, annoyance and confusion factors alone (and there are other factors as well) dictate against raising cab fares every year. So when they do go up, it is inevitably by a largish percentage. Annualised, it's not out of line with most other goods & services. For people who've been driving their own cars and paying for petrol the past 3~4 years, this increase of 20% looks (and is) minimal. From the narrower perspective of someone who relies on taxis for regular transport, then yeah, it's a bigger bite out of their budgets. But it's by no means unreasonable, illogical or unfair.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is simple economics.

In three years ...

Taxi fares have gone up 20%

Teacher salaries have gone up 0%
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In that case, then it's not just taxi fares that teachers' salaries haven't kept up with.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dudes, i'm far from being a cheapo. the argument, "in other places you would be paying more" doesn't hold any water, this isn't other places. this is seoul. when are people going to stop saying that. i live in seoul because it has a low cost of living so i can pay off my student loans and travel. otherwise, i'd be in japan.

anyway, in the grand scheme of things i don't care about a raise in prices, fine that's inflation, that's how the world works. when gas prices go up, the price of everything goes up.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
dudes, i'm far from being a cheapo. the argument, "in other places you would be paying more" doesn't hold any water, this isn't other places. this is seoul. when are people going to stop saying that...

Exactly!! Grrrr Mad I'm so with you on that one, Princess. What's say we go 'round and whup their donkeys, yeah? You & the Guru, how 'bout it?
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxi rates are still a bargain compared to Western countries. (Frankly, I don't know how the drivers make a decent living given the cost of fuel here.) That being said, clearly inflation has outpaced the minimal raises that most of us receive upon contract renewal. If it weren't for the free housing and low tax rate, Korea would not be a cheap place in which to live. On the other hand, the Won has moved from about 1300 to the US$ a year ago to (as of today) 1012. So if you're sending money offshore, you're better off than you were a year ago.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it weren't for the free housing and low tax rate, Korea would not be a cheap place in which to live.


This oddly enough is a factor that many of us don't consider when discussing our wages when it is a major part of these wages.

This taxi rate increase is really nothing more then cabbies dealing with the rise in fuel cost. It is completely understandable that they do so and is in no way related to our wages or increase in wages.

When I got here in 1997, the avg wage for a 6 day work week was 1.2-1.3.

Now, a little over 7 years later, it is 2.0 for an avg 5 day work week.

That more then compensates for a slight fare hike in cabbies....
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
When I got here in 1997, the avg wage for a 6 day work week was 1.2-1.3.
Now, a little over 7 years later, it is 2.0 for an avg 5 day work week. That more then compensates for a slight fare hike in cabbies....

yeah in '97 I got 1.1 for 30 hours and a 32 pyoung apt (shared). Now I make 3.6 and have my own house (24 pyoung)
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar deal for me superhero...
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well will have to drink a few beer less per month to make up the difference

Wink
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Maugrim



Joined: 10 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just like to say that:

1) Buying a scooter is a bad idea.
2) There is no such thing as "simple economics".
3) Cheap is endemic to Korea.

and

4) I'll be damned if I'm going to drink less beer.
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