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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Igotthisguitar intentionally mixes up what the Herzel refered to as the "final solution" and what the Nazis had in mind to make them see as one in the same.

No, truth is i don't intentionally try to mix anything up. I'm simply calling it as i see it. Collaboration is clearly an historical fact.

A showcasing of this would make for a big Hollywood blockbuster you can bet. One can only hope that a big shot director who's as interested in this period of European history as say Steven Spielberg will tackle the story in an upcoming big screen project. Indeed, movie goers love nothing more than a balanced picture of "history" through film.

��The exact contrary of what is generally believed is often the truth. ��
- Jean de la Bruyere

��The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.�� - Albert Einstein

Active Collaboration
On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-1941, when the Second World War prevented extensive collaboration.

Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews, probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about pulling up roots to begin a new life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews turned to Zionism during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's bi-weekly Jüdische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books were published. "Zionist work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the Encyclopaedia Judaica notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7

7."Berlin," Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 5, p. 648. For a look at one aspect of this "vigorous life," see: J.-C. Horak, "Zionist Film Propaganda in Nazi Germany," Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1984, pp. 49-58.

Thank God for footnotes.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, truth is i don't intentionally try to mix anything up. I'm simply calling it as i see it. Collaboration is clearly an historical fact.



Your own post from above
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Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."3


Herzl meant final solution for jews to leave Europe

Hitler meant final solution to kill all Jews

you mix up the two by design.

Another example

Shaq takes him downtown (Shaq hits a long range basket )

The policeman took the drug dealer downtown (he went to arrest the drug dealer. )




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A showcasing of this would make for a big Hollywood blockbuster you can bet. One can only hope that a big shot director who's as interested in this period of European history as say Steven Spielberg will tackle the story in an upcoming big screen project. Indeed, movie goers love nothing more than a balanced picture of "history" through film.



There already has been a play on it.

but anyway as another poster said:

Herzl had one thing in mind when he talked of a final solution , and Hitler had another thing in mind I prefer Herzl's how about you ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee"]
Quote:
Herzl meant final solution for jews to leave Europe

Hitler meant final solution to kill all Jews

you mix up the two by design.

Another example

Shaq takes him downtown (Shaq hits a long range basket )

The policeman took the drug dealer downtown (he went to arrest the drug dealer. )


While i must confess don't follow your logic here, i'm impressed that you're finally actually trying to use it Laughing

Perhaps you'd like to restate your point.

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A showcasing of this would make for a big Hollywood blockbuster you can bet. One can only hope that a big shot director who's as interested in this period of European history as say Steven Spielberg will tackle the story in an upcoming big screen project. Indeed, movie goers love nothing more than a balanced picture of "history" through film.


[quote="Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee"]
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There already has been a play on it. ]
A play dealing with the years between 1933-41 and the active Nazi / Zionist collaboration ??? What was the name ??? I'd still love to see Spielberg do a prequel to Schindler's List.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Quote:

but anyway as another poster said:

Herzl had one thing in mind when he talked of a final solution , and Hitler had another thing in mind I prefer Herzl's how about you ?


You're begging the question.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=begging+question+fallacy&fr=FP-tab-web-t-226&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8

Ironically Hitler proved to be Zionism's greatest friend. Without him there would have been no Israel. Herzl knew a holocaust would provide the justification his faction needed.

Sadly, most of the Europe's Jews simply wanted to live in peace as assimilated citizens of their respective nations. Just as the case is today.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two Expressions can have different meanings you highlighted the words "final solution" but Herzel meant one thing and not the same as what Hitler wanted. but you are trying to make it seem as that is what he wanted .Cause it fits into your agenda.By there was a play called Perdition however it wouldn't make a good prequal to Shindlers list cause the zionists didn't want the Jews killed.

Yes many Jews would have liked to live in peacefully but unfortunately there are still neo nazi bigots who want to kill them all. Like those at the American Free Press and their supporters.

Anyway Herzl had one thing in mind by final solution and Hitler had another .Which do you prefer?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Two Expressions can have different meanings you highlighted the words "final solution" but Herzel meant one thing and not the same as what Hitler wanted. but you are trying to make it seem as that is what he wanted .Cause it fits into your agenda.By there was a play called Perdition however it wouldn't make a good prequal to Shindlers list cause the zionists didn't want the Jews killed.


Perdition ??? Can i find it on the net ??? What's the story ???

Anyways, on this point we disagree. As you're likely aware Jewish assimilationists had long disagreed with the Zionists' vision of their place in the world.

As with the Nazis, Zionists wanted to establish their own pure race society. Thus, for the Zionists, Hitler & the holocaust were a great asset. The ends justified the means.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Yes many Jews would have liked to live in peacefully but unfortunately there are still neo nazi bigots who want to kill them all.
Are you aware you're blurring your tenses ??? Like Zionists, neo-nazis are ignorant & their minds poisoned by ideology.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zionism is a bad idea but it is understandable because there are still hate mongers like those at the American Free Press and their supporters who want to commit mass murder.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr62.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr62.htm
And the purpose of you posting that direct link is what ??? Any specific point you'd like to make ???
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



http://www.indybay.org/uploads/banking_hitler.rm

But it was not just the Thule Society that gave Hitler the support he needed to become the leader of the German government. There were additional sources of Hitler's strength. One who offered an explanation of Hitler's easy rise to power was Walter Langer, a noted psychoanalyst. Langer wrote in his book The Mind of Adolf Hitler that it was his theory that Hitler was himself one-quarter Jewish and the grandson of a Rothschild.

He wrote:

There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree. Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was Johann Georg Hiedler ... Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to Hitler.

A peculiar series of events, prior to Hitler's birth, furnishes plenty of food for speculation.

There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.5

In a postscript in Langer's book, Robert G.L. Waite adds this comment:

"But even when Langer is mistaken and his guesses prove incorrect, he is often on the right track.

Consider his hint that Hitler's grandfather might have been a Jew. There is no reason to believe the unlikely story told by Langer's informant that Hitler's grandmother Maria Anna Schickelgruber, a peasant woman in her forties from the Waldvietral of rural Austria, had had an intimate liason with a Baron Rothschild in Vienna.

But Hitler had worried that he might be blackmailed over a Jewish grandfather and ordered his private lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate his paternal lineage.

Frank did so and told the Fuehrer that his grandmother had become pregnant while working as a domestic servant in a Jewish household in Graz.

The facts of this matter are in dispute—and a very lengthy dispute it has been. The point of overriding psychological and historical importance is not whether it is true that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, but whether he believed that it might be true.

He did so believe and the fact shaped both his personality and his public policy.6

It is possible that Hitler discovered his Jewish background and his relation to the Rothschilds, and aware of their enormous power to make or break European governments, re-established contact with the family. This would partially explain the enormous support he received from the international banking fraternity, closely entwined with the Rothschild family, as he rose to power.

One thing is certain, however. Hitler started World War II by moving into Austria first. It has been theorized that he moved into this country for two reasons. First, he wanted to silence Dolfuss who Hitler believed knew that he was a descendant of the Rothschilds, and secondly, he wished to remove all traces of his ancestry from the Austrian records.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&bih=592&biw=989&q=banking+hitler+download
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Devil's Advocate or ... just plain old Devil ... Reply with quote

PaperTiger wrote:
However...

Some people don't want to believe something just because it goes beyond the scope of what they have come to accept, does that make what they believe fact??? Ask yourself "who is history written by?"


Important point. Glad you asked the questions. This is just plain old creepy ... Shocked

The terms Maitreya and Fuhrer are interchangeable. Devout Maitreyans intend to commit an eternal worldwide genocide of individualists - of those who are incompatible with the ideology, and of those who are insufficiently pliable. They plan profuse apologies and tears of sorrow, but they believe devoutly that they must kill, often describing it as a relieving of suffering and/or a deliverance to a better place.

There is more, much more to the connection between the Nazis and New Age. This is all rather roundabout, and the story would be laughable and silly were it not for all the corpses.

The Rothschilds, that great Jewish lion of European banking, were instrumental in bringing the Nazis to power. At the time of Hitler's election, the Farben trust ( interest group, IG Farben ) was a Rothschild-dominated concern. Nobel laureate Paul Ehrlich, also a Jew, discovered antibodies and invented chemotherapy and the first cure for syphilis while at Farben years earlier. In fact the Farben trust was veritably awash in Jewish scientists. Nonetheless, Farben, with the other major industrial trusts of Germany, threw its support behind Hitler's candidacy, precipitating his election. Years later, Zyklon B - the nerve gas used in concentration camps to murder enemies of the Nazi state - was invented by scientists at Farben.

The Rothschild agenda was, at least in part, public and transparent, dating to the nineteenth century. They were and are committed and leading Zionists (a street is named in their honor in Jerusalem), and they (and other allied Zionists) sought to shoo Jews out of Europe and into Israel by making life for Jews in Europe miserable.

Seemingly, they overshot their mark. Or did they? Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, a prominent religious leader in Israel, recently repeated an explanation I've heard with some skepticism before, regarding the Holocaust: "These are incarnations of those who have sinned and made others sin ... They were reincarnated to make amends.''

That is, he maintains that the Holocaust was a collosal burnt offering to appease an unnamed god. This constitutes a mystical, fringy sort of Jewish cult ritual run amok. In fact, it is none other than cabalism. The Star of David the Zionists adopted as their symbol and put on their flag is actually an expressly cabalistic symbol. Cabalism is the direct ancestor of modern theosophy as institutionalized in the Third Reich in particular and in New Age in general.

In its modernized form as New Age, the ideology centrally features both reincarnation ( in the form of Hindu karma, samsara, and nirvana ) and intense anti-Semitism: the premise is that Jews are peculiarly obstinate varmints, having missed two quantum leaps of consciousness ( constituting disobedience to Maitreya or "natural law'' or some other such hogwash ), and so must be exterminated to make way for a harmonious global unified consciousness/awakening.

The swastika ( the word is Sanskrit for "well being prevails'' ) was borrowed from Buddhism, in which it is an ancient traditional symbol of Buddha's heart, often appearing emblazened on his chest in religious artwork. The Nazis are considered to use only the clockwise form of the swastika, while traditionally the chiral variants are both used, related to each other dialectically, associated with male and female. Since the Nazis often emblazened flags with the swastika, the chiral variants were both routinely displayed.

The Nazis embarked on treks to Tibet, mythical homeland of Maitreya and seat of mystical wisdom. The United Nations, built on Rockefeller-donated land, is closely associated with Share International, which distributes explicitly Maitreyan Buddhist propaganda. J D Rockefeller the first got his start, and made his race to monopoly, with Rothschild money and favors. Rockefeller was a key supporter of the eugenics movement ( coercive eugenics is a core doctrine of New Age ), and the organization he funded became the Racial Hygiene Society when the Nazis built their apparatus. For more on this, see Anton Chaitkin's discussion on the Rockefeller roots of Nazi eugenics.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Anton+Chaitkin+racial+eugenics+rockefeller

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/newage.html

As a side note here, i was reading recently Hitler used to keep a copy of one of Madam Blavatsky's works next to him on the night stand while he slept.

Make of it what you will.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, the problem here seems to be mere semantics. I took a grad level course in UNI called the history of the holocaust taught not by a jew or a german but a canadian scholar who had spent her entire career studying Germany and WWII. At the beginning of Hitler's power in 31 there is no evidence that wholesale extermintation was planned. In fact the Nazi's forced the jews to leave and helped them migrate to other countries. They also had a plan to make Madagascar the Jews' final destination. Zionists were trying to create Israel and the Nazi's were happy to send them to Palestine except the British stopped them when they realized the problems that were unfolding in Palestine (Jewish and Muslim terrorists).

The wholesale deportation of European Jewry was the initial plan of the Nazi's. The Zionists wanted everyone shipped to "Israel". So their goals were similar in that sense but certainly Zionists wanted none of what was to come.

The problem came when the rest of the world (Canada included) shut their doors to the Jews (and gypsies and homosexuals et al) and then the Nazi's had to come up with a Final Solution.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nuts at Rense believe that the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' are historical fact. That pretty much sums them up.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this sums up the OP and his crusade to expose the International Zionist Conspiracy for World Domination.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does an armadillo shell beanie(used as headgear preferaby without the live armadillo) work as well as mum's tin foil(usually reserved for baking) wrapped around the dome in screening out mind reading trespassers?????

I've always wondered how Herr Hitler got funding for his war machine when reparations from the first war imposed upon Germany by the League of Nations had been, considered excessive thus, leaving the country bankrupt and the general population impoverished?

And for that matter, how did the japanese fund and hide their war productivity?

These questions are not meant to implicate bankers of any racial designation. History, or historical eye sight seems to have selective memory or, defective eyesight with an unbelievable lack of critical thinking. How was "history" able to progress in the way it did?

Not meaning to point a finger in the direction of conspiracy et al theories/theorists.

Just curious.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fusionbarnone wrote:
I've always wondered how Herr Hitler got funding for his war machine when reparations from the first war imposed upon Germany by the League of Nations had been, considered excessive thus, leaving the country bankrupt and the general population impoverished?

And for that matter, how did the japanese fund and hide their war productivity?

These questions are not meant to implicate bankers of any racial designation. History, or historical eye sight seems to have selective memory or, defective eyesight with an unbelievable lack of critical thinking. How was "history" able to progress in the way it did?

Not meaning to point a finger in the direction of conspiracy et al theories/theorists.

Just curious.

Well spoken.

Unlike some of these prickly lurkers, you've at least got the balls to delve into a number of these key lingering questions.

Stranger than fiction, the truth IS mind-blowing.

Aude sapere

igotthisguitar wrote:


http://www.indybay.org/uploads/banking_hitler.rm

But it was not just the Thule Society that gave Hitler the support he needed to become the leader of the German government. There were additional sources of Hitler's strength. One who offered an explanation of Hitler's easy rise to power was Walter Langer, a noted psychoanalyst. Langer wrote in his book The Mind of Adolf Hitler that it was his theory that Hitler was himself one-quarter Jewish and the grandson of a Rothschild.

He wrote:

There is a great deal of confusion in studying Hitler's family tree. Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler was Johann Georg Hiedler ... Alois, however, was not legitimized, and he bore his mother's name until he was forty years of age when he changed it to Hitler.

A peculiar series of events, prior to Hitler's birth, furnishes plenty of food for speculation.

There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois. Thyssen and Koehler, for example, claim that Chancellor Dolfuss (the Chancellor of Austria) had ordered the Austrian police to conduct a thorough investigation into the Hitler family. As a result of this investigation a secret document was prepared that proved Maria Anna Shicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back to her home in Spital where Alois was bom.5

In a postscript in Langer's book, Robert G.L. Waite adds this comment:

"But even when Langer is mistaken and his guesses prove incorrect, he is often on the right track.

Consider his hint that Hitler's grandfather might have been a Jew. There is no reason to believe the unlikely story told by Langer's informant that Hitler's grandmother Maria Anna Schickelgruber, a peasant woman in her forties from the Waldvietral of rural Austria, had had an intimate liason with a Baron Rothschild in Vienna.

But Hitler had worried that he might be blackmailed over a Jewish grandfather and ordered his private lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate his paternal lineage.

Frank did so and told the Fuehrer that his grandmother had become pregnant while working as a domestic servant in a Jewish household in Graz.

The facts of this matter are in dispute—and a very lengthy dispute it has been. The point of overriding psychological and historical importance is not whether it is true that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, but whether he believed that it might be true.

He did so believe and the fact shaped both his personality and his public policy.6

It is possible that Hitler discovered his Jewish background and his relation to the Rothschilds, and aware of their enormous power to make or break European governments, re-established contact with the family. This would partially explain the enormous support he received from the international banking fraternity, closely entwined with the Rothschild family, as he rose to power.

One thing is certain, however. Hitler started World War II by moving into Austria first. It has been theorized that he moved into this country for two reasons. First, he wanted to silence Dolfuss who Hitler believed knew that he was a descendant of the Rothschilds, and secondly, he wished to remove all traces of his ancestry from the Austrian records.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&bih=592&biw=989&q=banking+hitler+download
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