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bucheon bum
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Ya-ta Boy
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| This cannot possibly be true. It would mean that Moslems are not controlled by the literal interpretation of the Koran. It would mean that Moslems might be motivated by factors other than religion. It would mean there is variety in the Moslem world. That would make the world too complicated for me to understand. So I refuse to believe it. |
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Paji eh Wong
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| You may want to note that about 50% of Malaysia is Muslim. There are large minorities of Chinese and Indians. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Look at the Germans. An educated, peaceful, Christian, family loving people. Take away all their jobs for two decades. Look what they did 1936-1945. If you have a job you have to wake up for and a mortage to pay, you don't have time for hate. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| You may want to note that about 50% of Malaysia is Muslim. There are large minorities of Chinese and Indians. |
Yeah, but you know who lashed out at the gov't during a recent crackdown at KL nightclubs? Muslims. Why? because they were the only ones arrested. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| It would mean there is variety in the Moslem world. That would make the world too complicated for me to understand. So I refuse to believe it. |
Because one state (which has a sizeable non-muslim population) has bucked the trend of despotism, economic incompetence and social backwardness hardly creates 'variety.'
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When you combine economic collapse with extremist ideology you have a big problem. And in Islam, Malaysia has a ready made extremist ideology waiting to be put in place should the economy go off the rails. Also, Malaysia is not really a fully fledged democracy, and the aspirations of the Islamists have been suppressed for many years. With democratic reform, their support could grow and their wish to enforce Shariah Law become a reality. |
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dogbert
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There was an interesting article in the IHT earlier this week about Malaysia's regression from a multi-cultural ideal toward Malaysian and Muslim pride.
Quite sad. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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I copped this from another thread on a similar topic. It's a quote from former National Security Advisor Z. Brzenski (?).
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Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
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I hope certain posters don't read this. It would confuse them. A world that isn't black and white is too much for some people to deal with. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| There isn't a global Islam. |
There is, and within all of the countries mentioned, there is, to a greater or lesser extent, a large Islamist movement. Pakistan and Saudi have both sponsored Islamic fundamentalist movements for many decades now, and Saudi Arabia and Egypt have provided most of the Jihadi ideologues and soldiers. Militant Islam is truly a global movement, and it's growing.
Moreover, while Egypt's government may be pro-Western, it is unlikely the public shares such sentiments, and in Central Asia, now that Soviet suppression of Islam is no longer, Islamism is making a resurgence. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| An educated, peaceful, Christian, family loving people. Take away all their jobs for two decades. Look what they did 1936-1945. |
Let's not forget their little 1914-1918 'Tour of Europe.' |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| to a greater or lesser extent |
Oh, so you do admit that some Moslems just aren't into fundamentalism. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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There isn't a global Islam.
There is, |
Really? A Global Islam, eh? Strange, then, how Muslim Iran and Muslim Iraq went to war against one another in the 1980s. Didn't they get the "no fighting your brothers" memo from headquarters? Strange also how the Sunni theologians in Saudi Arabia(not to mention CEO bin laden himself) rail against the Shiites like there was no tomorrow, even calling for their renewed persecution(come to think of it, why ARE there Sunnis and Shiites anyway? Guess any organization needs creative tension). And hopefully someone will get around to telling the Turkish military to drop their violent oppositon to the veil, since you'd expect a well-oiled machine like Global Islam(TM, franchises available) to have a uniform dress code.
I'll say this about "Global Islam": if it does exist, it's gotta be the most disorganized outfit in the world. These guys can't even keep track of who they're supposed to be fighting! |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, so you do admit that some Moslems just aren't into fundamentalism. |
I never said they all were. |
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