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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| babtangee wrote: |
| talk about anal. Those teachers probably have to write hundreds of those reports in a two week period. Like they are going to concentrate on proper grammar. It's a freakin' report, not a critical essay. If I was a parent I'd be focusing on the content, not the appearance. |
Teachers don't have to concnetrate on proper grammar it should be second nature.
Your way means that the students (and teachers) can write sentences like "The Lions, yep, there gonna get they're balls creamed over their".
So each and every reader, instead of focusing on the content, has to work it out first.
Free the reader! |
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MissT
Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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I looked it up, because I am sure that I just read something about this. 'Have' is reduced to /e(upside down -schwa)v/ which sounds just like ��of�� in spoken English.
��Both native speakers of English and ESL learners need to be shown the contrasts between the oral and written forms of the language.�� ��[T]he auxiliary have��is reduced to /[schwa]v/ (Sampson, 2005, p.81)."
cheers,
MissT. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| I'd hope that any decent conversation/pronunciation teacher would be able to teach about schwas, weak forms, linking, sentence and word stress etc (ie, the real features of English pronunciation), rather than teaching an 'ideal' English that isn't spoken by any normal person. |
I think the topic of stress in prounciation probably deserves more than one lesson all to itself but that's not such an easy thing to teach effectively and many teachers have a schedule to keep to. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| I'd hope that any decent conversation/pronunciation teacher would be able to teach about schwas, weak forms, linking, sentence and word stress etc (ie, the real features of English pronunciation), rather than teaching an 'ideal' English that isn't spoken by any normal person. |
I think the topic of stress in prounciation probably deserves more than one lesson all to itself but that's not such an easy thing to teach effectively and many teachers have a schedule to keep to. |
What? More than one lesson? Teaching stress should be a constant, ongoing process from starting students onwards. It is easy to teach effectively, and there are many resources and methods available for doing so. Stress is one of the fundamental aspects of the English phonology system, and any decent teacher, at ANY level, will incorporate it into their lessons.
matthewwoodford, you have CELTA, you know what I'm talking about.
Or is pronuciation not important? |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I agree with you that it should be a constant ongoing process, but I also think it's important enough to merit a lesson or two devoted entirely to it.
Let me *stress* that word: I *also* think it's important enough to merit a lesson or two devoted entirely to it. Everyone, please repeat....  |
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