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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Tim Russert's Meet the Press was on this morning with Sen. Joe Biden (D-NJ) and Rep. Carl Weldon (R-PA). Part of what they talked about was this recruitment problem. May's figures are abysmal, especially considering that May is when kids graduate from high school. The original recruitment target was over 8,000. The Army reduced its goal to about 6,000. The total enlistees for the month was only 5,000, i.e. a 38% shortfall.
Of course recruiters are under a lot of pressure to fill their quota. There was a one day thingie to reassess recruitment strategy and tactics in mid-May. I read somewhere that 6 recruiters have been demoted and reassigned because of recruitment violations. So it is perfectly possible the article is true. These types of things do happen. Last month there was a piece on some news program about high pressure tactics and recruitment irregularities. One kid said he had visited a recruitment center and talked to the guy, but ultimately decided against enlisting. He was swamped with phone calls and threats of arrest if he didn't sign up.
The current numbers of killed and wounded are 1,600 and 12,000. This is obviously the reason for low enlistment. Biden and Weldon both said they are looking at measures to shore up enlistment benefits they hope will increase the numbers. Both said they were not considering the draft yet. I'm sure that is not exactly 100% true. A nearly 40% shortfall indicates that all options must be looked at.
Both agreed that US presence in Iraq will continue until 150,000 first-rate Iraqi troops are trained and ready to take over. They estimated that will take 1-2 years. I've read elsewhere that it takes about 2 years to fully train troops.
PS: Weldon has written a book about the 'next' major terrorist attack on the US. The conversation didn't focus on it, but they did talk about one plan that was foiled in '03. A group of about 20 were arrested in Canada. Their plan had been to hijack a plane and fly it into the Seabrook Nuclear Plant in New Hampshire with the goal of killing a couple of hundred thousand people. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Army is the only branch that's coming up short. |
Doesn't the Army take the most casualties in Iraq? I think the Navy is pretty safe. |
Yes, but the Marines probably have a bigger % of casualties. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Schools lose federal funding if they fail to provide the same ACCESS to students by military recruiters as they do to college recruiters. |
Such as phone numbers, for example. |
True but concerned parents can easily block this. |
This was several years before Sept. 11 and any changes since then, but Army recruiters definitely got my home phone number without my family being informed we could opt out. He gave me the standard spiel, I could travel the world and play ice hockey in Saudi Arabia, etc. I told him the Army wasn't for me and he never called again. No big deal. |
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R. S. Refugee

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Location: Shangra La, ROK
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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...Army recruiters definitely got my home phone number without my family being informed we could opt out. He gave me the standard spiel, I could travel the world and play ice hockey in Saudi Arabia, etc. ... |
I hear the recruiters are promising 77 virgins in paradise these days if you inadvertantly end up "giving your life for your country." But that may just be a rumor.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| But that may just be a rumor. |
It must be a rumor because for a long time the definition of 'virgin' has been an ugly second grader. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
I hear the recruiters are promising 77 virgins in paradise these days if you inadvertantly end up "giving your life for your country." But that may just be a rumor.  |
Or, if you believe what some say about the Koran, it's white raisins instead of virgins. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: ... |
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In honor of our great President, I'd like to ask what's up with the National Guard.
While I realize some of them were sent to Vietnam, I'm still very confused by this fact.
How is serving in Iraq (or Vietnam) guarding our nation?
Better yet, if this does constitute guarding our nation, why isn't the Coast Guard deployed to Iraq?
I await explanation from you boo-ya types.
Why is anyone "guarding" our nation, like the great Dubya, deployed half-way across the world? |
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pharflung
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I await explanation from you boo-ya types. |
Good question. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Do you really have nothing better to do than drag up threads that are 2 1/2 years old? Sounds like get-a-life time to me.  |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| What you are actualy saying is that after 2 1/2 years you still don't have a justification for anyone to think that the war in Iraq constitutes guarding our nation from attack ... can we accept as given, then, that you've finally caught up with the rest of us? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| What you are actualy saying is that after 2 1/2 years you still don't have a justification for anyone to think that the war in Iraq constitutes guarding our nation from attack ... can we accept as given, then, that you've finally caught up with the rest of us? |
No, what he is saying that dragging up old threads from 2 1/2 years ago is rather pointless...if one is only going to make commentary like "good question".
I do like this thread though...it shows what lengths liberals will go to in order to shore up support for their side such as implying that the U.S Marines are kidnapping teenagers and claiming that schools HAVE to supply home phone numbers to military recruiters. The first is obvious nonsense and the second can be stopped by a letter written by parents as I pointed out already and that should have put paid to this. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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The youth were long "kidnapped" before any of this.......that is the rub.
I find it bizzare, any nation that has to buy "its best". Slaves for the most part, seeking a way out. Slaves. Bought and branded and then brained. But kidnapped before by so much cultural mouthwash. Not "whisked" away but carried away by bravado, money, power and pretense.
Recently I looked at the past few years "BEST " photos of the year. From multiple sources. I compared them with 20 years ago. The major difference? Just that those of present were full of uniforms, full of guns, full of honor and saluting and patriotic garble. Really shows the power of Devolution....... Our culture and society is sick, really sick.
Kidnapped and apes unto apes....
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| How is serving in Iraq (or Vietnam) guarding our nation? |
It's not.
This warped idea, however, is key to the imperial propaganda we're supposed to buy into.
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| But that may just be a rumor. |
It must be a rumor because for a long time the definition of 'virgin' has been an ugly second grader. |
Another brilliant slam-dunk for Ya-ta  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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What a wierd thread
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