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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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I present what as truth ??? Moreover, what IS truth ??? You honestly think you have the answer to that ??? Not me. I prefer questions.
Of course most people have lots of opinions. Lots of perspectives. I like to see mine as being in perpetual evolution. Driven by an innate sense of curiosity & skepticism.
Most of course like to think "their" perspective, "their" beliefs, "their" opinions are correct, and thereby ... the truth. Too much ownership, EGO and warped self-identity invested in the bulk of our "beliefs".
Having said this, i'm largely in agreement. Carlos does seem to have some pretty extreme & biased views. Thanks for the wikipedia synopsis.
Still, it's an overstatement to say that everything his indie publication hosts or prints is nonsense or categorically false. That's just absurd.
The best approach would be ( as always ) simply to read a little more carefully & critically. |
those guys have an interest in keeping conspiracy theories alive, and so their reporting is close to worthless, if not completely worthless. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
those guys have an interest in keeping conspiracy theories alive, ... |
Who has the greatest interest ??? Those who seek to expose or shed some light in the darkest of corners, OR history's unscrupulous conspirators, who clearly have a stake in covering things up ??? I think we BOTH know the answer to that one
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
... and so their reporting is close to worthless, if not completely worthless. |
Well, there we go. You stated your opinion. I've got mine.
While you tend to shrug off , downplay, and belittle conspiracy phenomenon, i'm not so keen on simply turning a blind eye. In order to bring about a greater degree of justice, the world needs, among other things, accountability.
While the truth is always out there, we'll be hard pressed ever to really get to the bottom of much via CNN, Yahoo, MSNBC or FOX.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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While the truth is always out there, we'll be hard pressed ever to really get to the bottom of much via CNN, Yahoo, MSNBC or FOX. |
Perhaps these programs are lacking, but most conspiracy theories are worse. They are the brainchild of people who want to magnify their importance by inventing forces and cabals out there to oppress them.
BUT, as for secret prisons in Afghanistan and elsewhere run by the government, I find it hard to doubt their existence. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to reasonably surmise that the bigwigs are being detained in supersecret camps unknown to the public at large. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Pentagon Gives No Excuses for Suspect Treatment; Senators Aghast
Mon Jun 13, 3:57 AM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US military offered no excuses for interrogation techniques used on a Saudi terror suspect at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, saying his questioning followed a "detailed plan" and that prevention of new attacks justified the means.
The retort followed publication of a secret document detailing the military's handling of Mohammed al-Qahtani, suspected of being the 20th hijacker on September 11, 2001, that suggested his interrogators may have used a combination of forced hydration and denial of bathroom facilities to pressure him for information.
The revelation has left some US lawmaker aghast, with Republican Senator Chuck Hagel openly suggesting "a vacuum of leadership" at the Pentagon.
The interrogation log obtained by Time magazine also indicated Qahtani had his head and beard shaved, was stripped naked, ordered to bark like a dog, prevented from sleeping by loud music, had pictures of scantily clad women hung around his neck and was straddled by a female interrogator, a contact particularly offensive to a Muslim.
A one point, when the detainee refused to drink water, an IV tube was inserted into his arm, he was pumped with three and a half bags of fluid and told that a bathroom visit will be allowed only in exchange for information.
When his replies did not satisfy the military, he was told to relieve himself in his pants, which he did, according to the magazine report.
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:53 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
The best approach would be ( as always ) simply to read a little more carefully & critically. |
This is always good advice, and the best retort I have seen you make to joo's interminable sniping whenever you have something you want to show us. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Still, it's an overstatement to say that everything his indie publication hosts or prints is nonsense or categorically false. That's just absurd. |
Sure he might say something that is true but there is every reason to doubt it since he lives off conspiracy theories and hate mongering. He is not interested in the truth he is interested in whipping up hate for his political purposes. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote:[
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Still, it's an overstatement to say that everything his indie publication hosts or prints is nonsense or categorically false. That's just absurd. |
Sure he might say something that is true but there is every reason to doubt it since he lives off conspiracy theories and hate mongering. He is not interested in the truth he is interested in whipping up hate for his political purposes. |
You're flogging a dead horse. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: |
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The Bobster wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
The best approach would be ( as always ) simply to read a little more carefully & critically. |
This is always good advice, and the best retort I have seen you make to joo's interminable sniping
whenever you have something you want to show us. |
Sniping indeed. Thanks Bob. God knows i try
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The sky cracked its poems in naked wonder
That the clinging of the church bells blew far into the breeze
Leaving only bells of lightning and its thunder
Striking for the gentle, striking for the kind
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An' the unpawned painter behind beyond his rightful time
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
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For the disrobed faceless forms of no position
Tolling for the tongues with no place to bring their thoughts
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An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
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An' for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jail
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
Starry-eyed an' laughing as I recall when we were caught
Trapped by no track of hours for they hanged suspended
As we listened one last time an' we watched with one last look
Spellbound an' swallowed 'til the tolling ended
Tolling for the aching ones whose wounds cannot be nursed
For the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an' worse
An' for every hung-up person in the whole wide universe
An' we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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U.N. Expert Wants to See Purported Prisons
BRADLEY S. KLAPPER / AP | April 1 2006
The United Nations' special investigator on torture said Thursday he was certain that there are secret U.S. prisons in Europe and he wants access to them.
Manfred Nowak said he had proof that secret U.S. prisons continue to operate in Europe.
"I am 100 percent sure. I have evidence," Nowak said in an interview with The Associated Press.
He cited a U.S. refusal to provide details or records of interrogations later used in terrorism trials in Germany. He did not explain how that was proof of the ongoing existence of U.S. prisons in Europe, and he did not offer other examples.
Allegations of clandestine U.S. detention centers in Europe have sparked separate investigations by the European Parliament and the Council of Europe, the continent's leading human rights watchdog.
"It is totally unacceptable, even in the fight against terrorism, that a highly democratic country such as the United States of America is keeping secret places of detention," said Nowak, an Austrian law professor who reports on torture allegations to U.N. rights bodies and the General Assembly.
U.S. officials in Geneva were not immediately available to comment.
The United States neither confirms nor denies the allegations of secret prisons, because it refuses to comment on intelligence matters. It has noted that the Council of Europe's report found no specific evidence to support claims of the existence of detention camps in Europe like the one in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
In a report released last month, Nowak and four other U.N. experts called on the U.S. government to close down Guantanamo Bay and "refrain from any practice amounting to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment."
The United States slammed the U.N. report, noting that the U.N. experts had declined an invitation to visit the camp because they would not be given full access to the detainees.
As with Guantanamo, Nowak said he would only visit the secret prisons if he was granted full access to prisoners. He noted that Beijing had allowed him to interview prisoners during a visit to China last year and that before that trip Washington pressured the Chinese to permit the interviews.
He said that he hoped Washington would reconsider its policy on terror suspects and allow him to investigate allegations of torture in detention centers outside the United States.
"How can I assess whether torture or ill-treatment is practiced in any prison in the world if the only people with whom I can talk are the prison guards and the doctors, but not the detainees?" he asked.
The United States is holding about 490 men at the military detention center; some have been there for more than four years. They are accused of links to Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime or to al-Qaida, but only a handful have been charged.
Nowak also said that he would go to Chechnya this year because Russia had accepted his condition of direct access to prisoners. He declined to speculate on how widespread the use of torture by Russian security forces might be in the volatile southern province, and said he was still negotiating with Moscow on which detention centers to visit. |
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