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alicat_blue



Joined: 09 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: some sensible advice pulleeze!!! Reply with quote

Ongoing saga of my hagwon experience continues. I teach mostly kindie classes and I found out today that from now on there will be korean teachers in all of our classes just to make sure "that the kids are okay". Is this normal? I find it extremely patronizing as well as demeaning, as it seems to suggest that us foreigners aren't competent enough to handle the classes ourselves. Am I being too sensitive? Is this normal? Do the korean teachers at our school have nothing better to do than spy on us whilst we teach? Some helpful advice would be much appreciated.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back when I taught kids I would've killed to have a Korean speaker/disciplinarian in the classroom with me.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, this is a godsend.

You should only worry about spying if you really suck, which I'm sure you don't.

You will really enjoy this, if you approach it in a friendly way, and include the Korean teacher somehow.

This likely means that your hagwon owner actually CARES about whether his/her students learn in class.

Tis a good thing.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with the Beav on this one.

Swallow your pride and thank your lucky stars that you'll have a designated Korean kid wrangler in on your classes.

Chances are it won't last long anyway, once your wonjongnim realises he's paying for two teachers to teach one class.


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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just re-read that these are Kindy classes.

DEFINATELY a good thing.

Especially when they pee their pants, the Korean teacher can clean it up while you continue your lesson.

I bet you'll find life to be SO MUCH EASIER.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: some sensible advice pulleeze!!! Reply with quote

alicat_blue wrote:
Ongoing saga of my hagwon experience continues. I teach mostly kindie classes and I found out today that from now on there will be korean teachers in all of our classes just to make sure "that the kids are okay". Is this normal? I find it extremely patronizing as well as demeaning, as it seems to suggest that us foreigners aren't competent enough to handle the classes ourselves. Am I being too sensitive? Is this normal? Do the korean teachers at our school have nothing better to do than spy on us whilst we teach? Some helpful advice would be much appreciated.


I agree with the others that, in gerneral, it can be a good thing IF the KT is there as a co-teacher and not there to sit in the back of the classroom, read magazines, talk to opaa on the handphone, and otherwise be useless - and then complain about you no matter how good of a job you are doing.

If the KT is being compensated for the extra work they are doing I think your experience will be positive. If they are not being compensated you will be considered a burden and it could lead to resentment.

If the KT screwed up somehow and the boss is having them sit in your classes to get "re-educated" on how to teach, expect the KT to nitpick your ability/performance/style. I doubt the boss would tell you this is the real reason as this would embarrass the KT.

I was concerned about the phrase "the kids are okay." It could mean nothing or it could be an extremely loaded phrase. Have you had any problems in the class lately with any particular kid? Any incidents stick out, no matter how trivial to you? Is the boss trying to cover his and your butt for some reason? Even the most trivial thing to us, generally speaking, can be a big deal to some Koreans.

The only advice I could offer would only echo that already given. Look at it as a positive development, try to establish a good relationship with the KT, and continue to do a good job and have fun.

Take care

Teufelswacht
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alicat_blue



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately it does seem to be a case of just sitting in the back of the room and spying as it were. What you just posted really rang true with how I feel about the situation. There is a part-time KT here who seems to resent the fact that I am getting paid more, have my own desk and am just in general a whitie. Despite the fact that I teach twice as many classes as she does. I feel like this whole Korean supervision thing is more about controlling the foreign monkies than helping us with the kids.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Yeah, just re-read that these are Kindy classes.

DEFINATELY a good thing.

Especially when they pee their pants, the Korean teacher can clean it up while you continue your lesson.

I bet you'll find life to be SO MUCH EASIER.

Why is anyone teaching kindergarten if they aren't prepared to deal with urine, feces, vomit, and tears?
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
Why is anyone teaching kindergarten if they aren't prepared to deal with urine, feces, vomit, and tears?


Because they signed on for something else and were saddled with it?
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't taught kids in Korea, but in Taiwan we had Chinese teachers in kindy and the older kids classes. I was lucky; my kindy co-teacher actually stayed in class with me, while some of the others would go out and hang with the secretary. My classes were better because of Amy.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
OiGirl wrote:
Why is anyone teaching kindergarten if they aren't prepared to deal with urine, feces, vomit, and tears?


Because they signed on for something else and were saddled with it?

I would respectfully tell my employer, "I didn't agree to wipe noses and rears. My talents would be better used teaching [whatever I signed on for.]"

Only I wouldn't, because I love teaching little kids.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
I would respectfully tell my employer, "I didn't agree to wipe noses and rears. My talents would be better used teaching [whatever I signed on for.]"



If, after saying the above the boss said "Okay, teach kindie or you're fired and no letter of release." What then?

We all know the reality of teaching in a hogwan. Rational thought, compromise and respect for employees rarely figure into the equation.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a Korean kinder teacher in most of my classes last year and it was pretty cool. The kids spoke little Korean and concentrated a lot more in class. Their behaviour was much better, she cleaned up if a kid shat it's pant or peed itself. And she was really quite and never interferred in the class at all.

She didn't speak a lick of English so it was difficult to communicate but generally it was a godsend.

Don't worry even if she's doing nothing she'll be useful if there are any incidents, of bullying tears, poops or whatever.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I need to count myself lucky that I have never worked at a hogwon that told me to teach kindergarten students.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the other posters. The K teachers have this mesmerizing way with just yelling out some call'n'holler chant that the kids are programmed to respond to. All they have to do when they see the kids distracted is yell it and the kids automatronically repeat it and fall into order. Don't worry about the presence of the K teacher, but DO incorporate her into the lesson like as a partner for role playing activities, or to help with explaining the games.
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