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chi-chi



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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freesolo



Joined: 26 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: hong kong smiles Reply with quote

i asked a brand new student, who goes to hong kong on business once a month, about the differences with korea, and the first thing she said was how everyone there smiled!!

these people are emotionally repressed. it's why they drink so much and treat women so badly.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sat in on interview where I work, because they were going to hire a Korean English speaker for a staff position. I got to see a lot of candidates interviewed for other jobs, but the thing that really got to me was their grimness. They sat their stoic like and parroted off answeres with out smiling. Geeze if that was in a western country they would have been booted out of the interview.

Music plays a big part in a a Korean person's life. They sing a lot especially in their norerbongs. Their church services have outstanding choirs, and their pasteurs are required to take voice lessons as part of their calling. I don't think a person who couldn't sing would make it as a pasteur. Have noticed that their turn over of pop songs is phenomenol. Lot of talent out there. In the west catchy tunes and kyrics stay popular forever. In Korea not so, because they are churning out so much. I guess they don't have time to be nostalgic.

Maybe their prolific musical drive is a creative outlet for their seriousness
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They say dave's is a bleak place, full of bleaters complaining. But hey, what startles me is this thing called 'han', this sort of resignation that Koreans have. About their life and culture that puts them in their place, exactly. The hierarchy based on age, status, sex, and so on. Pretending to be nice all the time, and duty-bound.

Having a word for it means they hate it themselves. Not Korea, but the same seriousness, it's not footloose fancy free, foreigners like us pick up on and vent on dave's here about. Han shows that Koreans are bugged by Korean culture. And if Koreans are bugged about it then is this biggie something contagious? How do Koreans cope with Han?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chi-chi wrote:
in the West there is not as much of a loss of "face" for being blue-collar and in Asia there seems to be.
(Although blue-collar people seem to be the same everywhere, in Asia you
"see" less of them due to loss of face/cultural expectations.)
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Blue and white collar are funny terms, aren't they? I think a lot of blue collar workers are doing well and a lot of white collar ones struggling.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
chi-chi wrote:
in the West there is not as much of a loss of "face" for being blue-collar and in Asia there seems to be.
(Although blue-collar people seem to be the same everywhere, in Asia you
"see" less of them due to loss of face/cultural expectations.)
.


Blue and white collar are funny terms, aren't they? I think a lot of blue collar workers are doing well and a lot of white collar ones struggling.

Not to mention that 'blue collar' workers seem to have more security. There will always be a demand for electricians, plumbers, etc.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:

Not to mention that 'blue collar' workers seem to have more security. There will always be a demand for electricians, plumbers, etc.


Aren't you that old guy who was reviving 5 year old threads a couple months back? Got another case of nostalgia fever?
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:

Not to mention that 'blue collar' workers seem to have more security. There will always be a demand for electricians, plumbers, etc.


Aren't you that old guy who was reviving 5 year old threads a couple months back? Got another case of nostalgia fever?

Damn dude! You read EVERY SINGLE THREAD the moment they hit!

I am impressed! I only do this once in a great great while, but you catch them in seconds every single time!

Don't you have a job or anything else? Or are you like a chat bot that is programmed to do this? The time on your hands is IMPRESSIVE!

I salute you, sir!
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is in-group, out group. In my classes (Uni), the students laugh a lot. If they see me around campus they always smile and wave. They know me. I'm in group and they can smile with me.

On the way home from work, any Korean I met is grim faced. Especially older people. These people are out group. No smiles, that would be presuming a relation. I asked one of my students if she ever made eye contact with strangers. "Never". Did she smile at them? "That would be crazy!" This is a really sweet girl, btw.

This was explained explicitly in my Korean language text book. Koreans don't smile at strangers, because the social relation hasn't been established. Remember, they have to know each other's age, relations, etc. before they can even talk to each other properly.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Koreans don't smile at strangers


Not exactly true. If you smile at them you get a smile back 9 times out of 10. If you don't smile then don't expect them to smile first.

I have noticed that they don't smile in photos. But then again I look like a pri*k when I try and smile in a picture. Maybe it's just damage limitation, if you don't smile you've got less chance to ruin the picture and look like a nib.

That said, I love looking at the pictures of my co-teachers on my schools website. Some of the pictures that they put up are about 20 years old. So of them I don't even recognise.

I actually find myself smiling more in Korea but not really anymore than usual.
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blurgalurgalurga



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are a dour lot up in Seoul for sure, en masse, but are Londoners any better? I hear they're pretty grey there too...as for my hometown and its general neck of the woods (BC, Canada) people tend to be pretty mopey as well, whether they have a good reason to be or not. That west coast happy hippy schtick is a filthy lie; people look self-satistfied, often enough, but cheerful and friendly? Naaaaah.

I'm in a Jeolla now and people seem happier. Poorer, but happier. It's weird...I skulk about scowling at people, trying to bum them out, trying to school them on how the Better Class presents a visage, but they just keep on grinning at my with their busted up, smokebrown, orthodontic nightmare smiles. They obviously can't afford mirrors and the only rich people they see are in TV, where they are paid to smile, so they think the whole world is all cheery and Mary Poppins.

Rubes...don't they know how miserable they should be?
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:

Not to mention that 'blue collar' workers seem to have more security. There will always be a demand for electricians, plumbers, etc.


Aren't you that old guy who was reviving 5 year old threads a couple months back? Got another case of nostalgia fever?


I hate it when people do that.
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tigerbluekitty



Joined: 19 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever thought it could be because Asians feel happier in warmer weather?

I know I'm happy when it's warm and the sun is shining. Ever since I got to Korea, it's been too cold and uncomfortable for me to smile.

Vietnam is hot, they love smiling and making slapstick jokes. Phillipines, I heard they're quite happy, friendly people. Singapore, they're definately happy too. All nice, warm, comfortable places. Meow, Kitty like! ^^

Just a thought.
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dasmith2



Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Location: Nova Scotia

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerbluekitty wrote:
Have you ever thought it could be because Asians feel happier in warmer weather?

I know I'm happy when it's warm and the sun is shining. Ever since I got to Korea, it's been too cold and uncomfortable for me to smile.

Vietnam is hot, they love smiling and making slapstick jokes. Phillipines, I heard they're quite happy, friendly people. Singapore, they're definately happy too. All nice, warm, comfortable places. Meow, Kitty like! ^^

Just a thought.


Read Montesquieu. He thought along these lines too.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerbluekitty wrote:
Have you ever thought it could be because Asians feel happier in warmer weather?

I know I'm happy when it's warm and the sun is shining. Ever since I got to Korea, it's been too cold and uncomfortable for me to smile.

Vietnam is hot, they love smiling and making slapstick jokes. Phillipines, I heard they're quite happy, friendly people. Singapore, they're definately happy too. All nice, warm, comfortable places. Meow, Kitty like! ^^

Just a thought.


Yeah, look at them Mongolians, miserable lot.

The large middle school I work at has a lot of dour faces but they know how to party after work hours. My small middle school is riddled with rural oblivious happiness. It's mostly a bunch of slightly older teachers who go in and have fun with the kids. My big middle school has inspections almost bi-weekly where the smaller school almost never has them. It's like it's fallen through the cracks of the crushing pressure of the Korean education system. I love it here.
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