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peony
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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That is atrocious!!!!! Were they not warned to NEVER leave their baby unattended????????? I would never in a million years leave Letty in bed and go out., anything can happen.
You bring a life to this world, it's your responsibility to look after this life. I hope they get charged with murder because that's what this is!  |
i agree, its absolutely appalling behavior, a 4 MONTH OLD???
unbelievable... there's so many stories out there these days of parent neglect in many different countries.. whats up with that.. |
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calypso
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, he's got an RR bug in his bonnet, but I've been there before too. As have others. Sometimes it just gets to you after a while, but then it passes. |
i'm not going to be anti rr anymore. I know this is a korean board but when you think about it if you hear all this negative stuff, after awhile you tend to believe it. Just say that a newbie might think this place is bad when there are lots of good things about it |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| peony wrote: |
i agree, its absolutely appalling behavior, a 4 MONTH OLD???
unbelievable... there's so many stories out there these days of parent neglect in many different countries.. whats up with that.. |
Peony, what's up with it is that there are too many women - and men - have children without thoroughly think about it first. They just see it as something they'd like to have, like a pet... but they don't realise the amount of care, love and responsibility is needed to raise a child.
I am in this pregnancy and parenting forum and I have seen countless women complaining about being a young mother. A lot of them are decent women and they know what they are in for but it is amazing how many women got pregnant and then decided that they would marry their partners because of the baby. It's like they are doing thing totally the wrong way round. They are supposed to have found love first, then produce the fruits of this love.. I know this is cliche-y but you know what I mean.
In my opinion, there are too many immature people out there having kids and not raising them properly. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| People like that don't deserve to have children, its a sad and sick situation. |
That's the attitude on my director's wife, a Korea mother of an infant herself, and very concerned about such things, as she says many Korean women are these days.
Interestingly, she said the police will charge the couple with neglect, but that if the child had lived, no charges would proceed because there's still the widespread belief that a child is one's own and the government is not to take a child away from its parents if at all possible. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
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| oh no. someone died in africa too. |
How many Africans die from neglect because their parents play online games like World of Warcraft? |
You ought to franchise the concept of Real Reality to the territory of Africa, and then we could perhaps find out from the Africa Franchisee if such problems occur in say, Malawi, or Congo.
It's a big territory, but Africa has so many problems that it wouldn't be difficult rooting them out. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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the masses of robots who play peeshee games for god-knows-how long in unventilated, smoky PC bangs is a social problem.
what more are game addicts neglecting besides their children? and why did it take a death to make this an issue?
i wonder whether or not PC games are even addressed as a damaging factor in kids' (and adults') lives in korean medicine/psychological circles. has anyone seen any other news coverage besides this? |
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peony
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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i have to say that the saddest thing i ever saw was in a pc bang
there was a couple playing games side by side with the baby stroller in between them and the baby was sleeping in that nasty smoky environment! of course the parents were oblivious and didnt seem to care as they were too busy playing |
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kelly
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't much about baby care, except that you should put a baby to sleep on its back (to prevent SIDS, suffocation). Can babies turn over? Can't the baby move its head to avoid suffocation? That seems like human instinct. I know you shouldn't leave a baby alone, but what about when you go to sleep at night? God, this makes me think people should keep constant vigilance over their babies. Man, I'm going to buy a whole lot of baby care books when I have a baby! |
Not all babies will sleep on their back, my son won't but there are measures you can take to prevent such terrible things happening. There should be no loose blankets, toys and such in the crib with them. We have a sound and sensor monitor which sets off an alarm if it senses no movement(ie.breathing) for 20seconds. It does not totally protect you from such things happening but it sure does give a little peace of mind. Someone who leaves their baby unattended for even a few minutes should be locked up. Babies are vulnerable, and unable to look after themselves and need constant love, care and protection. These parents should be charged with murder or at least manslaughter for what they did.
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I had some questions about Korean attitudes toward child care when I met my friend at the bar, and he had brought his wife along. I was very pleased to see her, and asked who was minding the children. They had left their 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old twins alone at the house, but they cheerfully told me that the 5-year-old knew how to use the phone if there was a problem.
That seemed a little off to me. Are there laws here governing how old a child must be before left to fend for themselves? |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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While you certainly can't leave your babes alone very long...you can leave them for a few minutes....saying you can't and those who do should be locked up...is a little over the top.
I mean we leave them alone when they sleep...so a few minutes in the playpen or the moses basket...or car seat...wherever you may have place them is going to be okay. As long as the immediate (in reach of a stretched out twisting baby which is longer than you think) is safe... |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| kelly wrote: |
| periwinkle wrote: |
| I don't much about baby care, except that you should put a baby to sleep on its back (to prevent SIDS, suffocation). Can babies turn over? Can't the baby move its head to avoid suffocation? That seems like human instinct. I know you shouldn't leave a baby alone, but what about when you go to sleep at night? God, this makes me think people should keep constant vigilance over their babies. Man, I'm going to buy a whole lot of baby care books when I have a baby! |
Not all babies will sleep on their back, my son won't but there are measures you can take to prevent such terrible things happening. There should be no loose blankets, toys and such in the crib with them. We have a sound and sensor monitor which sets off an alarm if it senses no movement(ie.breathing) for 20seconds. It does not totally protect you from such things happening but it sure does give a little peace of mind. Someone who leaves their baby unattended for even a few minutes should be locked up. Babies are vulnerable, and unable to look after themselves and need constant love, care and protection. These parents should be charged with murder or at least manslaughter for what they did. |
I agree with Kelly. Letty rarely sleeps on her back. When I brought her home, she would cry each time I put her down to sleep, yet she wouldn't if I was holding her. I also discovered that she would heave if I had her on her back. That was when my mum told me to try having her sleep on her tummy and I tried that. Bingo. She stopped crying and stopped heaving. Also stopped spitting up so much after each feed. My mum got me a cellular blanket from the UK, so even if it covered her head, it wouldn't have suffocated her because the blanket has holes in it. I was, I guess, lucky that Letty had very strong neck control from birth. She could hold her own head up for a few moments right from birth and by the time she was 4 weeks old, she could hold it up without any support. Also, she knew, without me teaching her, how to turn her head when she was lying on her tummy, so upon consulting my paediatrician, he told me that she was going to be OK to sleep on her tummy.
By the time babies can roll over, it doesn't matter whether they sleep on their back or not because they will roll over to their desired position anyway. |
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coldcrush
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Location: melbourne.... Posts: 1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| anything can happen. |
that's overstating it. it's highly unlikley your baby would be devoured by velociraptors and you know it. stop misleading the public.
when i was a wee crush, my mother left me unattended to duck down the shops for some nappies. the house was burgled whilst she was out, but they didn't take me. and you know why they didn't take me?
if you do, pm me.
by all means protect your kids, but for god's sake don't be too protective -otherwise your kids will never develop the survival instincts necessary to ward of velociraptors.
food for thought. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
the masses of robots who play peeshee games for god-knows-how long in unventilated, smoky PC bangs is a social problem.
what more are game addicts neglecting besides their children? and why did it take a death to make this an issue? i wonder whether or not PC games are even addressed as a damaging factor in kids' (and adults') lives in korean medicine/psychological circles. has anyone seen any other news coverage besides this? |
Internet 'addiction' said to be on the rise
by Chung Sun-gu, Wohn Dong-hee
JoongAng Daily (Octorber 13, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200410/13/200410132232367309900090609061.html
Helping Internet addicts
A shocking report on the Internet's side effects has been presented. According to statistical data of the Korea Agency for Digital Opportunity and Promotion, among 23.8 million Koreans in the 10-39 age group, those addicted to the Internet or who need medical care or education to prevent an addiction total 4.3 million. There are only 260 specialists who can give counseling on Internet addiction, however, and there is no window through which people can utilize them.
JoongAng Daily
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200410/13/200410132259219739900090109011.html
Gamer stabs man to avenge character
An online game addict took his agressions out on a fellow gamer yesterday morning, stabbing him in an Internet cafe in Seongnam city, just south of Seoul.
The 34-year-old gamer, identified by his family name, Hwang, was in the midst of playing the game Lineage yesterday morning around 7 a.m. when his character in the game was killed, police said. Mr. Hwang went to another Internet cafe, where he found a 25-year-old man playing Lineage with the character that had "killed" his, and stabbed him with a sharp object. The victim was taken to a hospital, where he was listed in serious condition. "The character was like my child," Mr. Hwang, a professional motorcycle messenger, told the police. "When he was killed, it felt as if my life was taken away. I was shocked and furious."
"Game addicts tend to consider cyberspace reality," said Shin Yeong-cheol, a psychiatrist at Kangbuk Samsung Medical Center. "When their characters die, their devastation and humiliation feel real. They generally suffer from personal and emotional issues."
by Han Ae-ran, JoongAng Daily (June 10, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200506/09/200506092240207239900090409041.html
Kids' Internet addiction worsens
Addictive Internet use by the nation's children has gotten worse, based on a nationwide survey of 2,000 primary, middle, and high school students by the Korea Agency for Digital Opportunity and Promotion.
About 23 percent of the respondents were found to be addicted to the Net, it said. The agency regarded those surveyed as Internet addicts if they showed any of three symptoms: withdrawal symptoms, trouble with daily lives after they stop online access, and excessive tolerance to using the Internet. In a separate study, Korea University medical school found that about 40 percent of 760 students living in Seoul and Gyeonggi province showed symptoms of Internet addiction.
by Kwon Keun-young, JoongAng Daily
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200307/09/200307090134097509900090409041.html
South Korea grapples with online gaming addicts
While online gaming offers exciting new career opportunities for a few, some social experts have expressed concern about how gaming is taking over the lives of young South Koreans. A poll by the Commission on Youth Protection showed 60 percent of 1,440 juveniles surveyed said they believed they were addicted to online gaming and the Internet.
By Kim Miyoung, Yahoo! India News:Technology (Jan 26, 2004)
http://in.tech.yahoo.com/040112/137/2aunt.html
Where Does Fantasy End?
Why all of South Korea is obsessed with an online game where ordinary folks can be arms dealers, murderers ... and elves
By Michelle Levander, TIME MAGAZINE, JUNE 4, 2001, VOL.157 NO.22
http://www.time.com/time/interactive/entertainment/gangs_np.html |
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PolyChronic Time Girl
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:01 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion, there are too many immature people out there having kids and not raising them properly. |
Yep...and I'm one of them (immature anyway..lol)!! The reason why I won't have children is because I'm a complete scatter-brain and I know I'd make a pretty lousy mom right now. But it's amazing how some people around the world take having children so lightly...like it's a requirement you have to fulfill once you get married. My new husband and I have been married for two months, and already some of his friends and family are wondering why there's nothing's "growing" inside me yet. I tell them that it's too much responsibility and that my husband and I don't want children...they are miffed to say the least. One Korean woman told me to have children because I'll be lonely in the marriage  Hmmm...the mentality is baffling sometimes. |
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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: |
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That is atrocious!!!!! Were they not warned to NEVER leave their baby unattended????????? I would never in a million years leave Letty in bed and go out., anything can happen.
You bring a life to this world, it's your responsibility to look after this life. I hope they get charged with murder because that's what this is! |
I don't understand this reaction. Firstly, you make it seem like you think you are a better parent because you would never do it and you are solely responsible which disturbs me... but I'll put that aside for a moment to ask you to consider something:
What if the child had suffocated in any case, with the parents in the next room? Would you still clamour for their conviction for murder then? What if they had left it, as the OP said was possible, with their relative and it had died. What then? Irresponsible? We don't know all the facts in this case anyway... which is another thing to consider before flinging judgments around.
And another thing. They could never be convicted of murder in any case as there was arguably no premeditation. It would be manslaughter at worst. Glad you aren't their judge and jury...
... there but for the grace of God go you... |
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