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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject: Expat Chooses South Korean Nationality for Sons Reply with quote

U.S. expatriate chooses S Korean nationality for two sons
Jeffrey Jones, former head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Korea (AMCHAM), spoke out on Friday on why he has decided for his two sons to have South Korean citizenship.

"I've lived in South Korea for over 30 years making money and receiving benefits. It wouldn't be appropriate to have my two sons give up their citizenship just to avoid military conscription," Jones told a seminar hosted by the Korea Employers Federation at a Seoul hotel.
Yonhap News (June 17, 2005)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050617/420200000020050617161118E1.html
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turtlepi1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odd...I assume they will hold dual citizenship.
Since the issue seems to be military service and that is something THEY can give up before they turn 18, isn't this just a publicity stunt or working himself into some political will?

Hopefully it was for the right reasons. Otherwise using his family like this is disgusting.

*Shrug*
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"...a seminar hosted by the Korea Employers Federation at a Seoul hotel."

What is the pay for seminar speakers these days?
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ChimpumCallao



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: Expat Chooses South Korean Nationality for Sons Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
U.S. expatriate chooses S Korean nationality for two sons
Jeffrey Jones, former head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Korea (AMCHAM), spoke out on Friday on why he has decided for his two sons to have South Korean citizenship.

"I've lived in South Korea for over 30 years making money and receiving benefits. It wouldn't be appropriate to have my two sons give up their citizenship just to avoid military conscription," Jones told a seminar hosted by the Korea Employers Federation at a Seoul hotel.
Yonhap News (June 17, 2005)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050617/420200000020050617161118E1.html


And the kids are therefore not US citizens?

If I was one of those kids I would make it a point to give dear old 'Appa' a nice kick in the throat.

Now befefore anyone gets their panties in a huff, I am not saying it is better to be American than to be Korean (on this forum). However, the benefits awarded to US citizens (no mandatory military service, easy international travel, greater global employment opportunities) outweigh those that SKoreans get.
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turtlepi1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Expat Chooses South Korean Nationality for Sons Reply with quote

ChimpumCallao wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
U.S. expatriate chooses S Korean nationality for two sons
Jeffrey Jones, former head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Korea (AMCHAM), spoke out on Friday on why he has decided for his two sons to have South Korean citizenship.

"I've lived in South Korea for over 30 years making money and receiving benefits. It wouldn't be appropriate to have my two sons give up their citizenship just to avoid military conscription," Jones told a seminar hosted by the Korea Employers Federation at a Seoul hotel.
Yonhap News (June 17, 2005)
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050617/420200000020050617161118E1.html


And the kids are therefore not US citizens?

If I was one of those kids I would make it a point to give dear old 'Appa' a nice kick in the throat.

Now befefore anyone gets their panties in a huff, I am not saying it is better to be American than to be Korean (on this forum). However, the benefits awarded to US citizens (no mandatory military service, easy international travel, greater global employment opportunities) outweigh those that SKoreans get.


It doesn't say that they don't have US citizenship...
How does it work in the US? I would assume they can be US citizens assuming it is sorted out before they are 18/21 which ever is relevant.

and I agree with you about it being a disservice to his kids to give up the "privilege" of a western passport. That was why I looked at it with skepticism and believe he has given up nothing.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should NOT be HIS choice. It should be his sons choice. He just wants to make some brownie points with koreans.
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stalinsdad



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hell you got that one right!

Funny how expats become more Korean than the Koreans.
Even funnier that they're despised by both.

I understand that Fiona(piona) has given up her British citizenship, funny as she is clearly a Russian or Eastern European.

Fine if you want to give it up, but don't go around fooling others. Crying or Very sad
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many people replying to this thread must not read the newspapers. The law has recently changed. 18 is not the law anymore. The law is, if you didn't give up the Korean part of dual citizenship as of about 3 weeks ago, you are not able to give it up until AFTER you've done the military service.

And I think his decision was principled and the decision of Koreans who make their kids who were born in the US on a "I'm pregnant lets deliver in the US to get citizenship for our kid" but otherwise have no connection or allegiance to the country become US citizens and ONLY that are the ones who are screwed up.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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candu



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son is a dual citizen. Because his father is Canadian and his mother Korean, he does not fall under the terms of the recent dual nationality revisions. (All those involved are children of two Korean parents, born overseas.) Furthermore, as a mixed-race child, by son is excluded from military service here, along with orphans, the mentally disabled, etc. Even should my son opt for Korean citizenship once he turns 18, they wouldn't even let him serve in the military. While I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of my son being a soldier, I think it is a real slap in the face that in spite of being born in Korea, his Korean passport, etc. he is already regarded as a second class citizen. (He's too young to understand these things, but it makes me angry just to think about it.) I think this fact will influence his citizenship choice down the road, just as much if not more, than the issue of military service.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong Gopher-You can serve in the Israeli forces as a jew in America, without losing nationality.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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just because



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are all forgetting...

They are his sons.....he may do as he wishes as to what nationality he wants them to be even though i don't agree with his decision either...

If they were your children and people were commenting on a message board about how stupid a decision you made(just look at the cute baby = free money thread for some idiotic opinions by people without children) I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy...

You don't know what is best in every situation.....
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
You are all forgetting...
They are his sons.....he may do as he wishes as to what nationality he wants them to be even though i don't agree with his decision either...
If they were your children and people were commenting on a message board about how stupid a decision you made(just look at the cute baby = free money thread for some idiotic opinions by people without children) I'm sure you wouldn't be too happy...

You don't know what is best in every situation.....


Yes, people often go to public events and tell others what they are doing with the lives of their children. If you do something or proclaim something in public, then the public may very well comment on what you have done and said.

"...spoke out on Friday on why he has decided for his two sons to have South Korean citizenship.... Jones told a seminar hosted by the Korea Employers Federation at a Seoul hotel."
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