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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| pollyplummer wrote: |
| I didn't say that black people are not successful because they are black. I said that they are not successful because they choose not to be able to communicate well in English, and because they continue to use words for each other that they claim stings their past wounds. |
Oh, that's why! I thought it had to do with the lasting scars of slavery and segregation.
You've never heard the theory that 'nigger' became 'nigga' as a way to bring a connotation of familiarity, something almost positive, out of the inherent negativity associated with the word 'nigger'?
I've heard, usually in Korea, Caucasians refer to themselves as 'whiteys' to other Caucasians, but let's say for example a Korean or a Gyopo used the term (or an Italian, or an Indian, or a...). Some people would shrug it off, but I bet the same people claiming that usage of "the N word" holds back the black community in North America would be the first to get up in arms at such an epithet.
And, as far as I know (which isn't considerable, admittedly), blacks in Africa don't refer to themselves as 'nigga' as commonly as their brethren in the west do. So what's your theory of the cause for black Africans not becoming "successful"?
Also, your conjecture that Ebonics is counterproductive for black ��success�� is equally ill-informed. Do you really think that an intelligent black man or woman (who is not in the entertainment industry, I should say) would say something such as ��what up?�� or ��yo, peep dis�� in a professional situation?
I know I shouldn��t ask this after expounding upon the ignorance of your stereotyping of an entire race, but I��m curious, where did you grow up?
Sparkles*_* |
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gmat
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: |
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pollyp views are not too different from Bill Cosby's views.
You can read the entire article here http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200407/SPE20040702a.html
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The entertainer has been at the center of a racially charged controversy since May when he ridiculed the poor grammar of some blacks. "I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said in Washington, D.C. on May 17, at an event marking the anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation ruling. |
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crito03
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:15 am Post subject: Re: wiggerz |
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| pollyplummer wrote: |
The word n*gger doesn't bother me. Black people should stop using it on each other if they take such offense to it. Until then, they'll have to put up with white people calling them that. I think that the term n*gger would have faded away much more quickly if black people hadn't themselves been keeping it around. Also, they'd be much more successful in life, if they spoke proper English. .. another example of black people holding themselves back. There's still a bit of a victim complex among black people in America. In some ways they are similar to Koreans.
So if many blacks commonly refer to themselves as n*ggers, then wigger is the correct nomenclature for the group of people who imitate n*ggers. |
WOW
This from the mouths of people who call themselves teachers. |
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Badmojo
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: Re: wiggerz |
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| pollyplummer wrote: |
| Also, they'd be much more successful in life, if they spoke proper English. .. another example of black people holding themselves back. |
You cannot be serious.
Discrimination and racism happen because of how black people talk?
They got to be like the rest of us white people to succeed in North America?
Just WTF is "proper English" anyway? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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white_shadow
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: Re: let's talk about wiggers |
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from wikipedia:
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Wigger is a derogatory slang term used to describe a person, usually of European descent and with pale skin (often described as a "Caucasian" person), who dresses, speaks, or otherwise behaves in a manner that is stereotypically associated with African-American culture — for example, speaking in Ebonics. The term is a portmanteau word combining the words 'white' and 'n*gger', or 'wannabe' and 'n*gger', and is associated with cultural appropriation.
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Did not know that. From where I'm from wigger is a term used to describe someone on speed. We also called them Tweakers. |
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Badmojo
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: Re: wiggerz |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| pollyplummer wrote: |
| Also, they'd be much more successful in life, if they spoke proper English. .. another example of black people holding themselves back. |
"I be thinkin' that Ebonics be stupid." (Spike Lee)
Gwendolyn Brooks, Bill Cosby, Spike Lee, Winton Marsallis, Branford Marsallis, Will Smith.
No shortage of brilliant African Americans who might tend to agree with Ms. Plummer. |
Kind of like Jackie Robinson protesting Muhammed Ali back in the day.
No shortage of rich African Americans who might tend to agree with Ms. Plummer. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Gopher
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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These wiggers remind me of the British "Chavs"
www.chavscum.co.uk |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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"Chavs"  Pretty funny link I must say.
Celebrity Chavs |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: |
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"And all the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy"
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:37 am Post subject: Re: let's talk about wiggers |
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| white_shadow wrote: |
| Did not know that. From where I'm from wigger is a term used to describe someone on speed. We also called them Tweakers. |
Because they 'wig out' or freak out. That's what wigger used to mean for me as well. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| turtlepi1 wrote: |
the N_____rs of Europe (being of Irish descent a term I use occasionally)
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I believe the politically correct term is "Spud N_______rs". |
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poddubny
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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the captions beside each of the photos are hilarious. |
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