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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:23 am    Post subject: Bowing Reply with quote

Many Korean teachers start their classes with the students standing and bowing. I'm wondering if any waygookin teachers do this. I'll be starting teaching in a Korean high school soon and was thinking about insisting on bowing as a way of 'setting the tone'--reminding them that yes, I am the teacher and demand the same proper behavior that Korean teachers expect.

Any thoughts?
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on finding a high school job. It's a great gig if the school's right.

As for bowing, at my high school only the old timers make their students do that. The younger Korean teachers are much more relaxed (to a point).

If you want to get the kiddies to respect you as a teacher, then act and dress the part. But, just don't expect them to treat you exactly the same as a Korean teacher. You are a waegukin after all.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a really bad idea and a majority of the students in the class will not want to do that, which will get you off to a bad start.
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I feel that bowing is way too formal, I DO expect my students to respond when I walk in and say "hello". Either "hello" or "hello teacher" is fine. With one class (uni) I had to walk in 3 times before they got the hang of it! Rolling Eyes When I got no response the first time, I said "Ok...let's try that again." I walked out, walked in again, said "hello" ... and maybe 3 students said "hello". "OK...let's do that ONE MORE TIME!!!" FINALLY they got it! Rolling Eyes
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it's a really bad idea and



zappa, can you explain your thinking on this?



My thinking is along the lines of what Jackthecat said. It seems to me that if you start the school year/class off looking and playing the part as nearly as much like what is familiar, then the behavior patterns that are already formed will play in your favor.

I know when I was 25 and looking 20 that wearing a tie helped establish my image as the teacher with my high school kids at home. (Six months before, while I was student teaching I got stopped in the hall and asked for a pass by a teacher who hadn't seen me before. Alas and alack, those days are long gone.)
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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: Bowing Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Many Korean teachers start their classes with the students standing and bowing. I'm wondering if any waygookin teachers do this. I'll be starting teaching in a Korean high school soon and was thinking about insisting on bowing as a way of 'setting the tone'--reminding them that yes, I am the teacher and demand the same proper behavior that Korean teachers expect.

Any thoughts?


If you speak Korean credibly enough this might be a possibility. If not you could institute some other ritual as a substitute - when I enter my YL classes the students recite:

Rule number 1: We only speak english.
Rule number 2. We listen to the teacher.
Rule number 3: We do our homework.
Rule number 4: No smoking in class.'

I've been doing this for so long now that they don't really recognise that class has started unless they've done it. Similarly, they won't leave without saying 'my homework is page 59. May I go home now?'

Routine is a good thing and gives you the authority of tradition - even if it's just a 3 month old tradition.


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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gang ah jee



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
gang ah jee wrote:
No smoking in class


Do Korean kids smoke that much?


I'm in Vietnam. 'No smoking in the classroom' is one of the rules on the International House charter. Students need to respect that regardless of age.
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jaderedux



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach middleschool boys and I absolutely have them bow. I don't like it but if they don't do it...then I am not REALLY a teacher. It is easier for them to keep that ritual than change it for me.

Also, it affords the same treatment as korean teachers. The freaky part is when I see my students on the street.....they bow. It feel strange but what the heck. Even my boys who have graduated to high school do this if they see me on the street.

I don't mind....

Jade
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My thinking is along the lines of what Jackthecat said.


My thinking is also along the lines of what the Cat said. You are not a Korean teacher and some of the kids won't mind, but I think from my experience that most of them would not like doing this. The ones that don't mind bow anyway.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The freaky part is when I see my students on the street.....they bow. It feel strange but what the heck.



When I first came to Korea back in '94 I was determined I would never bow to anyone. I was teaching mostly university students in a hakwon and had a nice time with them.

It was really a peculiar feeling to run in to them on the street where they bowed to me. I soon got over the cultural prejudice I'd arrived with.

What worried me though was that students in cars also bowed to me. I was very concerned one of them would bow, knock himself out on the steering wheel and end up running over me.

I also should admit that I have an evil compulsion that I just barely keep under control. Whenever I see an ajumma with a big brown plastic bowl on her head when I'm walking on the street, I want desperately to bow to her to see if she will bow back. So far I have resisted this temptation.

But the topic at hand is bowing in class. Thanks for the input. It's interesting to me to hear different opinions.
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think it's a good idea to start off that way, especially at a new job. You can always relax things a little after a bit when they're used to you as the teacher. Some of my classes bow, which initially I didn't like, but have got used to it, and some others just stand and say 'attention', then a big group 'hello teacher'. I didn't initiate any of it, must have been the teacher before me, but it seems to start the class off on a good note.
And speaking of bowing outside of class, one of my wee elementary students bowed to me at the swimming pool. Poor kid almost drowned, he was halfway through a length, saw me in the next lane, and kind of tried to stop, and bowed, (it must really be programmed into them), took in a huge gulp of water and ended up gasping and spluttering. Hugely funny (but of course I didn't laugh at him).
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I endeavor to get the bow thing out of the way as soon as possible. While I'm here to teach English, not culture, the culture is imparted by the way in which I conduct my relationship with my students. They already get more than enough of the tyrant at the head of the class with the 'love stick' (now there's an oxymoron) behind his back. A great measure of getting these kiddos to speak English is to create an atmosphere of confidence. This won't happen if the curse of Confucianism is hanging over the situation.
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one and only male Korean teacher I had at Yonsei had us do this routine. "Charyut!" I didn't like it much either, but he was the teacher, so I went along.

I say go for it...

Brian
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting how perceptions differ. One guys sees tyrants at the head of class with the love stick. I've seen that, but much more often I've seen really good relationships between students and teachers.
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