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rapier
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: Are hagwons finally doomed? |
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I know someone jobhunting at the moment..says that recruiters are wringing their hands, unable to find anybody to fill hagwon positions any more.
It seems that the increasing intake into govt. schools is beginning to swallow up all available teachers..
If anybody still wants to work in hagwons, i'd say you could probably write your own contract pretty much now- but be ready for the place to fold in the near future, if not start employing Bangladeshi English teachers out of sheer desperation..
-Just look at the sheer number of vacant hagwon jobs being posted.. A lot are facing ruination, I reckon. Or is it just a temporary/ seasonal thing? |
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Gopher

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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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This was supposed to be an exploration of an exotic part of Asia. |
Try to spend more time with adult Koreans in SMALL groups. (Maybe you're already doing this, I don't know.) There are hordes of friendly and fascinating Koreans out there. Did you know that a few temples are open for weekend over-night stays? That's kind of exotic. Another way to have an adventure is by getting on a bus and taking off for the countryside...just hop off the bus in an interesting-looking small town. Get out of the big cities and off the beaten track. |
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Gopher

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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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The gov't is trying its best to squash hagwons.
Several years back, a dictator-like president all but outlawed hagwons, but it didn't work. Hagwons are viewed by many as shameful proof that the public/private school system just doesn't work.
Koreans are trying to improve their educational system in so many ways, but they're desperately doing so in the dark. Whether or not they realize it, the problem is more of a cultural one than just educational. They only way they can fix it, in my view, is to send their teachers abroad to be educated, or bring real educators here to re-train the old teachers and train the new incoming teachers. It will take two or three decades, but things can be fixed. But Korea would need to swallow a whole lot of cultural pride to make it work. The system of tests and practice tests which take up so much student time and energy must be scrapped. I could go on and on.
As you can read on EFL-Law, the gov't and lawmakers are also VERY concerned about the growing numbers of children who are seeking an education elsewhere. They realize that their public schools are utterly failing to provide an education that can compete worldwide. The smart parents who have money are clamoring to get their children out for an education that focuses on educating instead of entrance tests. The government is alarmed.
Koreans are fabulous at math skills, however for all of the time students study, they aren't good at much else. They have no reasoning skills. They can't solve life-oriented problems easily on their own. They have little deductive reasoning skill. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if you put them 10 of them together on some island reality show, with no handphones or internet. They would probably just huddle in a tent together and starve. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I know someone jobhunting at the moment..says that recruiters are wringing their hands, unable to find anybody to fill hagwon positions any more.
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I've been looking for a job recently. Mostly I focused on jobs where I could apply directly, but there were several that were only to be had by going through a recruiter. I bit the bullet and sent my application and documents. One response in 5 (I think) applications. Only one. The others did not even reply with an acknowledgement they had received my e-mail. (We all are familiar with the black hole of job applications.)
Just to put this in perspective: I have a teaching certificate, 20 years experience teaching high school, a CELTA certificate and 10 years experience teaching in Korea. On the face of it, I'm reasonably well qualified for just about any ESL job in Korea. I should be at least competitive.
The kicker of course, is my age.
I don't think recruiters are desperate yet when education and experience are less important than age in qualifying for a teaching job. I think the shortage your friend has identified is in the number of available 24 year old blonde chicks. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Derrek wrote: |
Koreans are fabulous at math skills, however for all of the time students study, they aren't good at much else. They have no reasoning skills. They can't solve life-oriented problems easily on their own. They have little deductive reasoning skill. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if you put them 10 of them together on some island reality show, with no handphones or internet. They would probably just huddle in a tent together and starve. |
In my essay course, we've got these opinion questions. This one girl keeps begging me "but teacher what is the RIGHT answer!" "There is no right answer. I just want to test your ability to write." "But what is the RIGHT answer?"
Yeah, the Korean education system drills it into them. "Okay memorize this poem. Okay now here is the correct answer what the poem is about. Memorize that too." |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Are hagwons finally doomed? |
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rapier wrote: |
I know someone jobhunting at the moment..says that recruiters are wringing their hands, unable to find anybody to fill hagwon positions any more.
It seems that the increasing intake into govt. schools is beginning to swallow up all available teachers..
If anybody still wants to work in hagwons, i'd say you could probably write your own contract pretty much now- but be ready for the place to fold in the near future, if not start employing Bangladeshi English teachers out of sheer desperation..
-Just look at the sheer number of vacant hagwon jobs being posted.. A lot are facing ruination, I reckon. Or is it just a temporary/ seasonal thing? |
I'm sure the lure of a dependable pay check at a public school has had an impact, but EPIK, GEPIK etc. were trying to fill "zillions" of positions before the new transcript regulations and crackdown on illegals.
The owner of my hagwon has been telling me stories of late about teachers at other franchise schools who "evaporated" as soon as they were asked for official transcripts. It seems as though quite a few teachers were unable to secure official transcripts because they never graduated or defaulted on student loans.
Given the relatively inelastic demand for English education in this country, it can only lead to higher wage offers and better working conditions; hagwons that cannot attract and retain teachers won't have any students. |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Not that I'm bitter or anything, but I say burn 'em down and we all go toi-toi on the ashes. OK, maybe I'm a little bitter.
I know at a major university in Seoul they've been forced to sign up teachers whose applications they initially threw to the bottom of the pile. They waited too long to make the offers, so their A-list, and even most of their B-list choices took other jobs. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Are hagwons finally doomed? |
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hari seldon wrote: |
or defaulted on student loans.
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Actually, I don't think I would be able to get mine either. I owe a fair chunk to the library in late charges. They said i could not get anything released till I pay up  |
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Gopher

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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I know someone jobhunting at the moment..says that recruiters are wringing their hands, unable to find anybody to fill hagwon positions any more.
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... I think the shortage your friend has identified is in the number of available 24 year old blonde chicks. |
And that's what surprises me. Since Koreans place such a high premium on youth, hair/eye colour, and feminine gender, I'm sure hagwons must be offering very attractive salary packages for teachers who satisfy those desired attributes, right? So attractive, I bet, that there must be an inexhaustible supply of available 24-year-old blonde chicks all pining to come and live here, right?
No? You mean Korea isn't an absolute non-stop, high-paying paradise and fun-filled adventure for 24-yr-old blonde chicks either? Hmm... Then I must be mistaken.
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...I'm just over the hump of my contract, and I can say that I would never recommend to anyone ever to work here as a teacher... |
"Here" means where? Your hagwon, or Korea as a whole? If it means the latter, that's one hell of a statement, given the audience. Isn't it? Isn't it worthy of an entire thread?
I've asked this before, but I'm asking again -- What's stopping people (young blonde chicks & seasoned professionals alike) from considering Japan? Or any other country where employers might be less nasty, and where government & public sentiment is less ambiguous about foreigners just being there in the first place? Is it just the money, basically? |
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Gopher

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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I know someone jobhunting at the moment..says that recruiters are wringing their hands, unable to find anybody to fill hagwon positions any more.
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I'm not sure I agree with this. I've been looking for a job recently. Mostly I focused on jobs where I could apply directly, but there were several that were only to be had by going through a recruiter. I bit the bullet and sent my application and documents. One response in 5 (I think) applications. Only one. The others did not even reply with an acknowledgement they had received my e-mail. (We all are familiar with the black hole of job applications.)
Just to put this in perspective: I have a teaching certificate, 20 years experience teaching high school, a CELTA certificate and 10 years experience teaching in Korea. On the face of it, I'm reasonably well qualified for just about any ESL job in Korea. I should be at least competitive.
The kicker of course, is my age.
I don't think recruiters are desperate yet when education and experience are less important than age in qualifying for a teaching job. I think the shortage your friend has identified is in the number of available 24 year old blonde chicks. |
PM me if you are still looking for a position. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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What's stopping me from going to Japan? Interesting question that I just didn't consider. Where exactly does one find good information on finding work and moving there? (must sound like a very naive question; but I've spent most of my time abroad in Latin America, Korea is my first venture into the Far East) |
www.gaijinpot.com
www.ohayosensei.com
http://kawama.tzo.com:1023/cgi-bin/ydforum/ikonboard.pl |
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