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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:46 am Post subject: |
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........and we know now that Saddam was not a threat. Not to the West and not even in his own region.
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Saddam was only not a threat as long as the US contained him.
Saddam was contained but sanctions killed like a war and made the US hated. They also requred the US maintain no fly zones and keep US forces in Saudi Arabia -forever.
Bin Laden started up the mid east version of the Klan cause of US forces in Saudi Arabia
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You are just making excuses for the lies the adminstration told to justify the war. Bringing up the Kurds and Iran is pointless because the US supported the invasion of Iran and did not care that Saddam has gassed the Kurds. This is old news and crocodile tears over that tragedy now means little |
But it also shows what Saddam would do if he got free. That Saddam did such is a case for continued containment of Saddam And remember too that the Anti war people oppose sanctions and no fly zones which means they are perfecting willing to allow Saddam to mass kill the Kurds.
Anyway the main point still stands since Saddam was at war with the US it is dumb to criticize the US for hitting back at him too hard. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: |
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So what is going wrong here? I am in no way a supporter of Saddam. I am glad he is gone, but I have a question about US conduct since his removal from power.
When Saddam was in power, there were no insurgents, suicide bombers or anyone else (as far as I can recall) fighting to get rid of him.
If the US is so much better than Saddam��s regime, why are they fighting?
Obviously, there is something missing in this whole argument.
When the US soldiers first entered Bagdad, they were cheered. I think there has to be some explanation of US actions since Saddam��s removal because it��s clearly nobody��s fault but the Bush administration for the way things have gone so wrong in Iraq.
Abu Grahib or whatever else we don��t know about, there has to be a reason why Iraqis suddenly turned against the US.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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When Saddam was in power, there were no insurgents, suicide bombers or anyone else (as far as I can recall) fighting to get rid of him. |
Actually what about when Saddam gassed the Kurds . What about the when the Shias rose up against Saddam?
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If the US is so much better than Saddam��s regime, why are they fighting?
Obviously, there is something missing in this whole argument. |
Most of the insurgents are from the Sunni triangle. They are fighting to conquer iraq , that is why they attack the Shias and the Kurds. The Sunnis are only 20% of the Iraqi population so they can't win an election. And the Sunni triangle has no oil so they can't really want independence, cause that would leave them poor.
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When the US soldiers first entered Bagdad, they were cheered. I think there has to be some explanation of US actions since Saddam��s removal because it��s clearly nobody��s fault but the Bush administration for the way things have gone so wrong in Iraq. |
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Abu Grahib or whatever else we don��t know about, there has to be a reason why Iraqis suddenly turned against the US.
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It is mostly those from the sunni triangle. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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So what do you make of this article then?
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/RegionNF.asp?ArticleID=168406
A senior US military chief has admitted "good, honest" Iraqis are fighting American forces.
Major General Joseph Taluto said he could understand why some ordinary people would take up arms against the US military because "they're offended by our presence".
In an interview with Gulf News, he said: "If a good, honest person feels having all these Humvees driving on the road, having us moving people out of the way, having us patrol the streets, having car bombs going off, you can understand how they could [want to fight us]."
And later, in the same article:
His comments come in stark contrast to the assertions of other top US figures, who persist in claiming all insurgents are either Baathists or Al Qaida terrorists.
General Taluto also admitted he did not know how many insurgents there were. "I stay away from numbers how can I quantify this? We can make estimates by doing some kind of guesswork," he said.
"I think there is a small core of foreign fighters. I don't know how big that is but there is some kind of capability here, and it's being replenished.
"Then there is a group of former regime personnel they're the facilitators. They make all the communications, move the money, they enable things to happen. Their goal isn't the same as the foreign fighters but they're using them to do what they want to do.
"Then we have the foot soldiers. Some are doing it for the money. Some are doing it because they're offended by our presence and believe we are a threat to their way of life. There are various levels." |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:15 am Post subject: |
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When Saddam was in power, there were no insurgents, suicide bombers or anyone else (as far as I can recall) fighting to get rid of him.
If the US is so much better than Saddam��s regime, why are they fighting?
Obviously, there is something missing in this whole argument. |
Yes. Understand that all the thugs and lowlifes have come out of the woodwork. Saddam had collered and corralled gangs and syndicates and even managed to use them to spread fear of his regime (See especially Fallujah). Yes, its true that there may be some so-called 'good, honest' Iraqis fighting in the insurgency. A lack of real civil procedure has produced a tangible distrust of American presence. But still, all the resistors are almost exclusively Sunni. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:32 am Post subject: |
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So what do you make of this article then?
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/RegionNF.asp?ArticleID=168406
A senior US military chief has admitted "good, honest" Iraqis are fighting American forces.
Major General Joseph Taluto said he could understand why some ordinary people would take up arms against the US military because "they're offended by our presence".
In an interview with Gulf News, he said: "If a good, honest person feels having all these Humvees driving on the road, having us moving people out of the way, having us patrol the streets, having car bombs going off, you can understand how they could [want to fight us]."
And later, in the same article:
His comments come in stark contrast to the assertions of other top US figures, who persist in claiming all insurgents are either Baathists or Al Qaida terrorists.
General Taluto also admitted he did not know how many insurgents there were. "I stay away from numbers how can I quantify this? We can make estimates by doing some kind of guesswork," he said.
"I think there is a small core of foreign fighters. I don't know how big that is but there is some kind of capability here, and it's being replenished.
"Then there is a group of former regime personnel they're the facilitators. They make all the communications, move the money, they enable things to happen. Their goal isn't the same as the foreign fighters but they're using them to do what they want to do.
"Then we have the foot soldiers. Some are doing it for the money. Some are doing it because they're offended by our presence and believe we are a threat to their way of life. There are various levels." |
Perhaps there are a few nationalists but most of them are those from the former regime or foreign fighters.
Look at the location of the attacks. Almost all of them are in the Sunni triangle.
Besides why would they attack Kurds or Shias?
Why would they oppose elections?
By the way why is it that most of the attacks are against Iraqis? |
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