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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: Post your illegal Korean teacher ads here |
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Since immigration is reported to be monitoring this site, I thought it would be nice to point them in the general direction of some Koreans breaking the law.
Mith, didn't you have a post with a link about some illegal private tutoring advertised by Koreans?
Go ahead and post all such links here, folks. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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They're everywhere.
All the links here are tutoring sites. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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That's OK..because they are korean.....korean immigration won't bother kypos as much as white/black foreigners.
What gets my gord up is the KT's who "teache englishee" and can't carry on a decent conversation!! And teach the same mistakes to their students!
If you are teaching a foreign language...one should at least have a decent command of that language! In fact...one should be a native speaker! How you KT's who have never even traveled outside of korea and won't even strike up a conversation with the FT's in English...and are teaching English....is...is....beyond me! Way beyond! |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Post your illegal Korean teacher ads here |
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| Gollum wrote: |
Since immigration is reported to be monitoring this site, I thought it would be nice to point them in the general direction of some Koreans breaking the law.
Mith, didn't you have a post with a link about some illegal private tutoring advertised by Koreans?
Go ahead and post all such links here, folks. |
What do you expect to gain from this? Immigration doesn't bust it's own citizens because they haven't immigrated. Perhaps try posting to the tax man instead. |
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Homer
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Indeed Gollum...that was a rather loud brain fart you just had! 
Why would immigration bust Korean nationals? What will they do? Deport them? |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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The idea is to poke fun at those goofy goons for making such a big deal out of the foreigners all of the time.
It's always the fault of foreigers... the problems are never local. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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The idea is to poke fun at those goofy goons for making such a big deal out of the foreigners all of the time.
It's always the fault of foreigers... the problems are never local. |
Is it an extremely wild coincidence that Immigration Departments around the globe have similar outlooks? |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
That's OK..because they are korean.....korean immigration won't bother kypos as much as white/black foreigners.
What gets my gord up is the KT's who "teache englishee" and can't carry on a decent conversation!! And teach the same mistakes to their students!
If you are teaching a foreign language...one should at least have a decent command of that language! In fact...one should be a native speaker! How you KT's who have never even traveled outside of korea and won't even strike up a conversation with the FT's in English...and are teaching English....is...is....beyond me! Way beyond! |
In Western education systems how many foreign language teachers are native speakers of that language? How many regularly converse with native speakers on a day to day basis in the foreign language?
To be a great English teacher in Korea then ideally any teacher would be fluent in english and Korean but this wouldn't leave an awful lot of people to teach. So the balance is that you get poor English speakers Korean teachers and no-Korean speaking Native teachers both in schools.
Do you think that someone who can't explain grammar to students in Korean can be an effective teacher of any foreign language? Sounds like a pretty difficult task. |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
That's OK..because they are korean.....korean immigration won't bother kypos as much as white/black foreigners.
What gets my gord up is the KT's who "teache englishee" and can't carry on a decent conversation!! And teach the same mistakes to their students!
If you are teaching a foreign language...one should at least have a decent command of that language! In fact...one should be a native speaker! How you KT's who have never even traveled outside of korea and won't even strike up a conversation with the FT's in English...and are teaching English....is...is....beyond me! Way beyond! |
In Western education systems how many foreign language teachers are native speakers of that language? How many regularly converse with native speakers on a day to day basis in the foreign language?
To be a great English teacher in Korea then ideally any teacher would be fluent in english and Korean but this wouldn't leave an awful lot of people to teach. So the balance is that you get poor English speakers Korean teachers and no-Korean speaking Native teachers both in schools.
Do you think that someone who can't explain grammar to students in Korean can be an effective teacher of any foreign language? Sounds like a pretty difficult task. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Gollum wrote: |
The idea is to poke fun at those goofy goons for making such a big deal out of the foreigners all of the time.
It's always the fault of foreigers... the problems are never local. |
Is it an extremely wild coincidence that Immigration Departments around the globe have similar outlooks? |
Agreed. But when the underlying issue is masked contempt of Korea and Koreans, then common sense that refutes the original, window-dressing argument gets totally stepped over. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hagwon Muppet wrote: |
| In Western education systems how many foreign language teachers are native speakers of that language? How many regularly converse with native speakers on a day to day basis in the foreign language? |
As far as I know, in the UK, in order to teach a foreign language, you need a 4 year degree with at least one year spent in that language's country.
At school, all of our foreign language teachers were fluent. In fact, my advance German language class was taught by a native German married to an English bloke, so she was fluent in both. My own mum taught French for a bit and she was an aupair in Paris for at least a year before going to do another year in Lyon. Her French is fluent and even French people thought she was a native Parisian.
My sister in law is French. She lives in France and teaches English. Her English is fluent. I talk to her almost every 2 weeks on the phone and I don't have a problem whatsoever understanding her. Her grammar is virtually flawless.
Can we say the same about Korean teachers?
Whilst I don't expect native fluency, I would expect basic conversational level English from a teacher, which I don't normally get in Korea. Having said that, I was pleasantly surprised to meet a Korean English teacher who spoke rather fluent English last week and she didn't study abroad. People like her though are few and far between.
Fact is... Korean people don't think they need to learn to speak English because they feel that this is the reason they hire waygooks.. to teach the speaking part, so if someone else is doing the hard work for them, why should they bother doing it themselves? |
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I_Am_Wrong
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Yeah, my Russian immerision kindergarten, grade 1, and grade 2 were taught in Canada by a native Russian speaker who graduated from Moscow University. She spoke fluent English but never used English in class because, then, what would be the point of immersion?
Young children pick up language fast and naturally...that's why we're here. |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, my Russian immerision kindergarten, grade 1, and grade 2 were taught in Canada by a native Russian speaker who graduated from Moscow University. She spoke fluent English but never used English in class because, then, what would be the point of immersion?
Young children pick up language fast and naturally...that's why we're here.
Just a note, my elementary school Russian teacher after grade 2 was a Canadian of Russian descent and had lived in Russia for two years and travelled to Russia every two years. My middle School teacher moved to Canada in her twenties. My High School teacher was third generation Russian-Canadian who had also spent a year in Russia and travelled there about 4 or 5 times.
Oh yeah, the two years I studied french were from a native French speaker also. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| It's always the fault of foreigers... the problems are never local. |
Ok Gollum but the problem is not local. In this case it is about foreign workers working illegally (this case: teachers). In that case, immigration has every right to do its job. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| English teachers should be able to speak some English. This is not a revolutionary concept. Sure English is my second language but I can mutter a few choice obscenities in it. Why expect less from Korean teachers? Look at it this way- I was offered a job to teach physics in Beijing at the Uni level. I didn't even consider it because I know squat about physics. |
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